This Dianne is a gorgeous, unique colored colt. He is by Auke (Dutch Imported Friesian) out of Blue Denim Mist (a few spot Appaloosa). For you you folks who don't know what a "few spot Appaloosa" looks like, I have included the below picture. Inside the "white" horse below is the genes for a multitude of coat patterns, leopard, blanket, snowflake, flash roan, etc. etc. The pedigree and the mottled skin (unique to the Appaloosa) readily identify the horse below.
Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Speaking of spotted Friesian crosses--This is the thrill of color breeding
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Wade G. Burck
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Wade, so a white coat in horses is dominant, as it is in domestic cats? Again, I don't mean to be insulting to the horses, but it is easier to learn something new if one can relate it to something that one already knows. Years ago, I was surprised to learn that white domestic cats are dominant, with the exception of albinos which are recessive. This of course is contrary to tigers, where white is recessive, even though they are NOT albino.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
I have been waiting for you to send/email that "white to white" breeding true deal that we discussed when you were here.
Wade
Wade, I'm really sorry, I didn't know. I am looking for it right now among all my documentation, starting with "Tigers of the World", and will have Joe scan it in tonight, and e-mail it to you as soon as possible.
Mary Ann
There was a leopard appaloosa/freisian cross at the Equine Extravaganza here a couple of years back. All the characteristics of a friesian but with the leopard spots. Sorry, but it looked weird to me.
Ian
Ian,
There are ugly colors for Appaloosas, as well as Paints, Palominos, etc. etc. Some Leopards are gorgeous, and it is personal preference. If you wanted a horse that looked like a Dalmatian, you sure wouldn't buy a few spot Leopard. But if you were breeding them, the value is what you get, not what you can see. Unless a Palomino is a deep golden color, I won't look twice at it. You can have all the pale ones you want. If I was breeding them, it would be a different deal. With color or white in a breed it will change their look and ever fake their conformation. It's why I don't like Tabbys, Snow Whites, etc. Just my preference. Dianne and I have discussed horses often. A Friesian is not my cup of tea. I don't like feather on a horse unless it is a draft horse, and spent hours weekly clipping the fetlocks of an Arab. But for it's athletic ability, and movement a Friesian is something else. I love Arabians, the 40% who are exceptional. The rest are eating good hay, that shouldn't be wasted. Animals like people are not all equal physically. In their rights yes, in their looks/conformation, no. And from a color breeders point of view this colt is a nice marked baby. To each his own.
Wade
I agree with you on the freisian. They are spectacular, but I can't used to the long head either.
Another thing as far as colors go, I always think of grey, black and bay as classical colors - such as for Dressage or high school. Whereas paliminos, appaloosas and buckskins and paints seem to look out of place in high school. Maybe it's a too traditional way of thinking - I don't know.
Ian
Ian,
I didn't say anything about a Friesians head. I think most have a noble, distinguished head depending on their lineage. I said I don't like their long feathers, or fetlock hair on any thing but a draft horse. Lipizzan are a plain headed horse, again depending on the lineage, but when they get geared up, collected and under themselves, and doing what they are bred to do they are breathtaking, breathing object's of art.
Wade
All horses are created differently. I have seen Lipizzans with heads as pretty as Arabs. Some Friesians have heads like tanks but most of the really well bred ones are beautiful and a lot with smaller typy heads. A lot of the Friesians sent to the states are rejects so you get the uglies. Some are now being bred here that are beautiful, it's selective breeding and the choice of the buyer. I have also seen people paying outrageous prices for a plain black horse with hairy legs just because he is a Friesian. Someone buying 12 Friesians for a liberty act will most likely not be paying the going price of $20,000 apiece and that being for just a so-so Friesian.
Wade, back to feline color for a moment. I find it interesting also that black leopards are caused by a recessive gene and always breed true, while black jaguars are caused by a dominant gene. Black domestic cats are caused by a recessive gene.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
What do you mean by "breed true". In reference to black to black or black to spotted.
Wade
Wade, black to black in leopards always breeds true to black. Black to spotted will breed black only if the spotted leopard carries a recessive black gene, and then only 50% of the time on average. This rule does not hold for jaguars.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
That's what I thought you meant, just making sure. Thanks.
Wade
Wade, black to black in jaguars breeds black, unless they both carry a recessive gene for spotted, in which case 25% of the cubs on average will be spotted. Black to spotted in jaguars will breed black unless the black jaguar carries a recessive gene for spotted, in which case 50% of the offspring will be black, and 50% will be spotted, on average. Spotted to spotted will always breed spotted.
Mary Ann
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