European Animal Trainer appearing in America. The first time I have seen one worn as part of a costume, since about 1977.
American costume mistress, and American Primate Trainer
Boyfriend of British Wild Animal Trainer appearing in America
I promise none of these necklaces were "purchased" for better then 3000.00 as Margaret suggested. The bottom photo has been quoted extensively in print and video as "loving my children, and they are my family." I wonder if that is Billy or Mary's body part, that she has gifted to her truck driver. Historically decades ago, claws served a purpose similar to sneakers or "colors" to a gang. It identified you as "belonging" or "being a part of" a practice that has be come antiquated in the United States but given the international nature of the industry quite prevalent from time to time.
This culminated in the drafting of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), which was signed by 85 countries during a 1973 conference in Washington, DC. The treaty came into force in 1975 and, at the time of this writing (December 2006), 169 nations had become Parties. "I suggest this is as important, if not more important then 30 some Nations agreeing to call Circus an "art" worthy of borderless travel, yet it doesn't seem to be taken as serious, or trumpeted as monumental."
The Fundamental Principles of CITES are described in Article 2: arguably the most important part of the Convention. This defines the criteria for listing under the three appendices. Appendix I is reserved for those species that are threatened with extinction that are now, or may become, further endangered by international trade. As such, trade in those species is prohibited for all Parties, although there are some exceptions. These include, for example, specimens that are raised in captivity or parts that were derived from specimens BEFORE the treaty came into force.
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The importation, transportation, possession or sale of any endangered species of fish or wildlife, or hides or other parts thereof, or the sale or possession with intent to sell any article made in whole or in part from the skin, hide or other parts of any endangered species of fish or wildlife is prohibited, except under license or permit from the Division of Fish and Wildlife. For the purposes of this section, endangered species shall mean those species of fish and wildlife designated by the Division of Fish and Wildlife as seriously threatened with extinction. Such a list shall in any event include, but not be limited to, endangered species as so designated by the Secretary of the Interior.
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Washington, U.S., 31 July 2008—Huge gaps in U.S. regulations could make Tigers held in captivity a target for illegal trade, wildlife trade monitoring network TRAFFIC and WWF found in the first-ever comprehensive report into captive Tiger regulations across the United States.
According to the report, the U.S. government has no way of knowing how many Tigers there are in captivity within its borders, where they are, who owns them, or what happens to their body parts when they die. In many states there are no controls on individuals keeping Tigers as pets.
A registration scheme for all captive Tigers and a means to monitor disposal of dead animals are urgently needed, says the report.
There are more than 5,000 Tigers estimated to be in captivity in the United States—more than the total wild population in Asia, of around 4,000 animals. They include animals bred in zoos, used for entertainment in carnivals or promotional exhibits, housed at rescue facilities, and Tigers that are privately owned.
The United States and other member governments of CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna) have previously agreed to a Resolution whereby all countries where Tigers are bred in captivity should “ensure that adequate management practices and controls are in place to prevent [Tiger] parts and derivatives from entering illegal trade from or through such facilities.” The lack of a comprehensive management system for captive Tigers is clear evidence the U.S. has not fully implemented this Resolution.
CITES also agreed that countries should not breed Tigers on a commercial scale for trade in their body parts. Whilst the report found no current evidence of Tiger breeding for body parts in the U.S., the lack of regulations create a clear potential for it to begin.
“As a leader in promoting the conservation of Tigers, the United States has a responsibility to manage its captive Tiger population effectively to prevent any emergence of illegal trade,” said Leigh Henry, programme officer for TRAFFIC North America and co-author of the report. “Any supply of Tiger parts into the black market can stimulate trade and consumer demand, which could pose a serious threat to already dwindling wild Tiger populations.”
Tiger populations are fast declining worldwide due to poaching for illegal trade and habitat and prey loss. One of their main threats is the global demand for their bones, skins and other body parts for use as ingredients in traditional Asian medicine and as fashion items.
The report was funded by the Save the Tiger Fund.
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Let's see if folks are more comfortable answering this question: What would you say if the USDA came to inspect your animals wearing tiger claw tie tacks. Is it then still acceptable and nothing wrong with it. Or if the animal welfare activists were picketing wearing tiger claw necklaces, would we just shrug our shoulders because "they can do what they want it's not hurting anything." Convince me I am wrong that we would not scream like stuck pigs at their apparent hypocrisies, yet I have never seen USDA quoted as saying, "they are like our children, and they are members of my family." Are we so naive, that we don't think the public is aware of things like this? Do we assume they also live in a closed society? Or are we too busy glad handing, double cheek kissing, playing politics, and getting ours to really, really, really, care about tomorrow? Why are we, and only we a "soft target." There are some industries that are 100% animals, and animals are a small part of the over all circus, yet are you suggesting that we are picked on? Why is that?
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
Context of public perception
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Wade G. Burck
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Agreed in principle. However CITES exemptions would likely apply under the personal possessions clause. My biggest beef with CITES is that every few years here in the US at some point all of those elephant foot wastebaskets, cat skin coats, ivory (non-scrimshaw)etc. confiscated either at the border or through domestic enforcement get auctioned off to the highest bidder...Some of the same collectors who wanted the stuff to begin with. One of the amusing things about this business is that periodically US Fish & Wildlife will decide to run a sting on animal people. You can smell them coming because the first thing they want to sell you -- in addition to live animals -- are artifacts prohibited under CITES.
Ben,
I don't know if auctioning the seized goods off is any worse of an idea then auctioning of seized homes, vehicles, possessions of drug lords. It generates needed revenue(less of a burden on taxpayers) to keep pursuing the law breakers. Kinda like selling a license to take game legally. What didn't make sense was building a big bon fire and burning the seized goods. Neither did stockpiling it for years and years. Damage is done, use it to attempt to prevent more damage. All the claws floating around illegally, are they really out to profile and destroy "soft targets?"
Wade
On Saturday, September 24 at 1 p.m. the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in partnership with Denali Auction Company, will sell off an assortment of confiscated items. (The items will be available for preview beginning at 10 a.m.) These include goods made from both mammoth and pre-Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA) walrus ivory, and thousands of small carved cow bone pendants. The auction will be held in the Egan Center?s Summit Room, at 555 W. 5th Street, Anchorage.
The to-be-auctioned materials were included in a collection of wildlife and non-wildlife items, including products crafted from rare, endangered, and threatened species, which was smuggled into the United States by a dealer in animal products. This dealer also unlawfully removed old ivory and bones from federal lands in northern Alaska, which were then exported and carved in Indonesia. As a result of those violations the entire collection was forfeited to the United States government. Proceeds from this auction will serve two purposes: They will be used to reimburse victims who unknowingly purchased stolen mammoth ivory carvings from the smuggler, and to reimburse an account designated to fund the storage of wildlife evidence and the payment of rewards for those furnishing information to combat wildlife crime.
Included among the items available are whole mammoth tusks, mammoth ivory carvings, large and small leg bone carvings with bases, wooden boxes featuring ivory carvings, mammoth ivory sheath carvings with bases, mammoth tusk carvings, mammoth bone carvings with bases, pre-MMPA carved walrus ivory tusks, jet ball carvings, carved antlers, human figure artifact replicas, ivory bracelets, beaded necklaces (glass, bone, and ivory), ivory and beaded pendant necklaces, mammoth ivory pendants, bone and beaded necklaces, more than 500 ivory and bone carvings, necklaces, pendants and more.
In addition, the collection includes more than 10,000 carved cow bone amulet pendants carved into various shapes, including harpoons, birds, eagles, eagle claws, bears, bear skulls, waves, fishhooks wolf heads, antlers and walrus.
The terms of the sale include no minimum bids, no reserves, and no buyer?s fees. Cash and personal/business checks (upon approval) will be accepted.
Margaret,
Close but not the same thing. Most of these animal parts died of natural cause thousands of years ago, and/or are cultural artifacts. The removing of/possession of claws is a different deal, although the legality issues are the same. The posting about the difficulty of controling the practice in a modern society and just a very few posted pictures should show that the issue is a very valid, serious one, that casts an industry professing to uphold the highest standards of husbandry and human care/training of the animal in a very doubtful light. You would think they would almost become a "soft target" for animal issues.
Wade
The ones I looked at were Victorian..From the 1800 hundreds,maybe that's why they cost so much.?..
Margaret,
If they were Victorian and verifiable, they weren't illegal.
Wade
Wade, although we all think about things like cat clwas, fangs, etc. -- as I understand it the big money in terms of CITES violations involving dead animals is still in Chinese medicine. The organs, penile bones, etc. from many animals including cats and crocs and ursids makes the trade in claws and fangs and skins look like a small part of the problem. A portion of the gall bladder from a black bear can sell for $5K in parts of Asia. Rhino horn was so valuable, many wide rhinos have had their horns removed to protect them from poaching. Again it gets back to bad science or pseudo-science, or folk science. The idea that some cultures still carry on the belief that animal magic determines health and well being.
Ben,
I don't know if we have a moral right in changing or dictating what a society thinks religiously, or their cultural beliefs. The Chinese business man living in a penthouse, yes. Don't give me that crap. But not the isolated closed culture. And surly not a performing society like the circus. Keep your coded language, secret whistles, etc. for fun and games, but not the parts of your family/children unless you can justify a historical religious significance it is antiquated.
Wade
So if Tahar was from a third world country and believed wearing an alligator tooth necklace made him protected by some demi-god that would make it ok. As apposed to wearing them as part of his wardrobe which is third world jungle guy?
Bull rider:
Wears: leather chaps, leather boots, has leather wallet (unless he is a sissy with a velcro nylon one) Some even sport a rack on the hood of their caddy
Makes living: Riding on top of bull
We don't make the assumption that he is wearing the ones that didnt make it or bested him.
Wearing claws isn't my thing, but I still don't think its that big of deal if someone wants to. It just looks silly.
Casey,
Third world country is not an isolated society. If Tahar was performing in front of a world wide audience we would assume he doesn't have a narrow outlook of a world outside of his world as he has left it. He can do what he wants as long as he stays in that isolated world, and does not leave the farm, or the jungle as it were.
You don't have to do what Rome says, if Rome comes to you. But when in Rome..... When Khadir Khan and the first Cossack act came to the United States in 1992 they had beautiful, authentic "costumes" and hats made out of wolf skins, and other animal hides. Wrong. You are in Rome now, not Khazakstan, and we are ass deep in a raging animal rights war. The good authentic "costumes" stayed in the wardrobe trunk, and Ringling made them some similar synthetic "wolfy" looking costumes and hats to wear for their very successful tour. They had a Golden Eagle which are used for hunting in Khazakstan which was part of the act also. It stayed home, as it didn't even make the paper work cut.
The bull that the cowboy rides on for 8 seconds maybe twice in 6 years that is farmed for it's leather and meat isn't worth a thought on whether it is the same thing as an animal that is endangered, noted as such by the profession as well as sworn to uphold their care and well being that you feed, water, and care for most of it's life.
"We don't make the assumption that he is wearing the ones that didnt make it or bested him." If this is in reference to the cowboy, we don't assume that, but we don't know for sure, as that is what a bull/cow is born for.
Wade
I didn't realize captive bred tigers were endangered,,lol. Every one I have been around was, just as the bull, bred to be shown in captivity. Yeah, if someone is going out in the jungle to get a claw off one off the last 4000 out there thats not just wrong but stupid. There are something like 5000 in TX alone, it would be way easier to get one of those.
The 8 seconds in 6 years is BULLSHIT!! with all due respect. The same rider on the same bull maybe, but that bull will be loaded and unloaded and cared for by someone all of its life as a bucking bull (much like a circus animal) then when it cannot perform will be slaughtered, and its usable parts will be used. Which I think is great. I don't see much of a difference really. The endangered thing is not relevant since the claws people in our industry are wearing came from captive bred animals.
Did they let Tahar wear the tooth necklace on RBBB?
Casey what ipuzzles me is if wearing claws is silly then why were you inquring early in the year about buying some from me ? i am saving them for you . and about Tahar wearing claws well Casey i know for a fact as of June he has a very nice big one and a Fang if i am not mistaken . CleanRaul
Casey,
The necklace from an animal that is legally raised and harvested in the United States. That necklace?
I thought you were talking about the cowboy who rode the bull. Whoop. I was right you were talking about the cowboy who performs and entertains by riding the bull.(who has horns on the hood of his caddy since Nudie died?) The cowboy who cares for it, is a different cowboy. The entertainer is normally the same person who looks after tiger or oversees the majority of it. You don't look at it 6 months later for hopefully another 8 seconds. This started out as trainers who train/care for the animal it's whole life using what it's life is as a justification for using it. And people who quote it as a member of the family. Until the eating and or harvesting of it becomes socially and legally accepted and you become a tiger rancher instead of a tiger trainer it is inappropriate in a working partnership with an animal. Again this question is for any horse trainers who wear or keep body parts from horses to identify you as a member of the fraternity off horse training? Do you know anyone who does? I am not asking any leather wearing Cow Trainers because I don't think that is a defined profession. LOL. But I will ask dog trainer the same thing. Any of you have Olaf or Fluffy on the floor. How about Dukes nails/teeth cut out and made into gold capped earrings for your significant other once he is finished serving you well? Let us know how you have dealt with the misconception of the public you entertain. We are tired of being a "soft target." We deserve the same free ride you folks have always had.
Wade
Clean Raul,
What do you mean you are puzzled? Don't you follow along. He only wanted them because he "didn't want the vet or anyone else turning up with a bunch of necklaces, in turn landing you in prison." Any way that's what I understood.
Wade
Raul, you know how it is. You're on the road, it's the season, there's money coming in every week -- and less going out. A circus guy comes along with books, or bullhooks, or braided whips, or whatever. Need it or not, want it or not -- you buy it or at least think about buying it because you really don't get off the lot much and it's a SHOPPING experience. Years later we go all go around to other shows and sell what we collected once upon a time to a new generation of shoppers.
Raul,
If you remember I was looking for a claw to give as a gift to someone else, and maybe one for my daughter. I could never pull off wearing one, and yes I would feel silly with it on. However I think Tahar would look strange without one on, as would you or Louie. Its kinda of a signature thing some folks. I know Tahar wears them now, I am wondering about on Ringling.
Wade,
Five sets of horns on cars and SUVs here in Paris alone. Two are pick ups from Windermute Ranch which is a rodeo company based here (they also have a rack on one of their semi tractors) which provides stock for PRCA rodeos. One set on a 60's Caddy owned by the same man who owns the biggest dance hall in town. One set on a brand new Yukon SUV owned by a former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And one on a beat up old ford pick up that I have no idea who owns. It seems very fashionable here,,lol
The question proposed was of "public perception" and I have no doubt the public doesn't know the difference between legally harvested or not. SO obviously RBBB didn't feel wearing fangs and claws hurt the "public perceived image"
Ben,
What in the hell are you talking about. I have been in this business for over 34 years, and I never had someone come on the lot offering to sell something other then in New York some stereo speakers that had fallen off a truck, or Jake Conover once a year. I had someone from within, ONE TIME, inquire if I wanted any claws, but I quickly left no doubt in his mind that I was not interested. But that I knew some law enforcement officials who might be interested. Didn't get asked again. Same deal with an elephant hook. It is easy to make one to your specifications and purpose, plus the added bonus of "personal satisfaction" in a hand made object that you will use for training, not unlike platting a bosal, or hand cutting a set of jesses. "Thanks Jake, but no thanks. Now if you will excuse me, we are real busy," usually works well, flush or flat broke.
But maybe there are different shows.
Wade
Casey,
Sorry. I thought we were talking about the PBR. I didn't realize meant Paris, Texas.
In getting to a standard that Steve mentioned, is legality an issue in something the profession does in regards to animals. That's how the croc teeth were addressed, and it didn't cover the Steppe wolf hides. If it is easy to disregard one requirement, do we as a profession decide which ones are worthy of disregard, or let each member play it by ear, on a what is necessary basis?
How's that Steve, are we on the right track?
Wade
Casey,
In an effort to bring this back to the "image projected to the public, of humane training/husbandry practices," not that there hasn't been an award winning effort up to this point, but Tahars croc teeth necklace, which I am assuming was similar to Crocodile Dundee's,(you can also legally purchase hat bands in any Seminole Joes Trading Post along Alligator Alley) seems to be an issue. Maybe I am not understanding it's relevance. What year was it that he wore the necklace? Was it 88-89? The Cossacks with the skins came in 92-93? That might suggest, legalities aside, that Ringling Bros. learned something, and wanted to project a different image.
Wade
Hey mate - I'm just a dinosaur from Down Under so don't set me up as the judge and jury!
All I'm saying is that I've heard the talk - now walk the walk.
Standards worked for us - things are different in the US so do it your way. But DO IT!!!
Otherwise we'll be listening to the same old words this time next year.
LOL. Wade, I can only say that in 34 years you must have led a sheltered life on shows where private security kept memorabilia sellers etc. at a distance. Think of what you missed. Live two headed cows, Barnum's false teeth, or a bag full of rattlesnakes. I'll note that Raul has pretty interesting stuff. Several years ago he had Al G Stonehouse Barnes's divorce papers -- which I would have bought in a hot second if I'd had some money that day.
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