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1. Aggression--Stay back or I will kill you
2. Analyzing--What is that? a cow or a bus
3. Apprehension--What is going to happen, I am scared.
4. Suspicion--I don't believe you.
It has been historically suggested that what makes a bear more difficult and dangerous than other animals is because it has a "poker face" and no expression. I suggest learning to recognize 50 expressions instantly and accurately in a heart beat is no less difficult and dangerous. Fans and the public always tell me then can tell whether an animal is mistreated or not by their expressions. Go ahead tell me.
Saturday, December 6, 2008
1-2-3-4--Tell me where is Warning, Analyzing, Apprehension, Suspision
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Wade G. Burck
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Am I allowed to play?
If so my guesses are
Photo 1: Apprehension
Photo 2: Analyzing
Photo 3: Suspicion
Photo 4: Warning
Although I think tiger in photo 1 is not far from giving a warning.
So where are all the cat experts??
I'm game for Wade to make mince meat out of my answers........LOL
1----------3 apprehension
2--------- 2 analyzing
3----------4 suspicion
4----------1 aggression
Am definately not a cat person but to me.....
#1 Boy if you didn't have that stick in your hand....
#2 Content, surveying, picture taken from afar I bet..
#3 One wrong move and you're history ...I'm watching
#4 Back off, I'm warning you
Jody, I am glad that you are willing to be such a good sport about this, since in the past Wade has made mincemeat out of me over the horses. LOL My first impusle was to agree with Casey and Jody, but after some consideration, I am reversing 1 and 4.
1. aggression
2. analyzing
3. suspicion
4. apprehension
In reversing 1 and 4, I considered the nature of snow leopards and tigers in addition to the facial expressions.
I thought I'd be the first to answer...
Wade, you were holding back responses again...
Anyway, I feel pretty dang good to have come up with the same answers as Casey. Yup, Pretty DANG GOOD...
Considering I don't have a house cat or even a barn cat.........
I must be a cat trainer now right Wade........LMAO and can't stop.
Could I be the next Cat Whisperer?
NOT!!!
On the serious side I wish you guys would mention what you see to have chosen the way you did.. I know it would help me learn how to read them better...
Wade, can we do elephants next?
I can't figure them out either. They move their ears when they're happy. They move their ears when they're mad...yea do them next...
1 Apprehension
2 analyzing
3 suspicion
4 aggression
Folks,
Relax, it isn't a bad deal intended to harm or hurt you. It is intended to help you understand what you are seeing and for you horse people to realize animals are all the same they just speak the language differently due to differing facial structures.
Never look for the obvious(eyes, ears) The obvious can be misleading as it can mean differing things. Don't let the animals nature/potential cloud what you are seeing. How many looked at the whiskers and jaw? Horse people what does a clenched jaw mean. Stiff taunt whiskers mean "wired" same thing as hair standing on end(The male lion has been washed fluffed regularly, so his mane is disregarded in this case. Drooping whiskers equate to a drooping tail, or submission. Relaxed whiskers are different from drooping whiskers, as a relaxed jaw is different from pursed lips. And they go from drooping to wired, clenched to relaxed in a heart beat.
#1 Apprehension--drooping whiskers, clenched jaw, squinted eyes. pinned ears. Wants to flee, fleeing might be harmful, wants to hide, hiding might be harmful. Start, stop, start,stop, start, stop(how many horsemen have been there? It either explodes, or it heaves a sigh of relief, and confidently quicken it's pace.)
#2 Analyzing--relaxed whiskers, relaxed jaw, piercing/looking past/through eyes, stationary ears(eyes have detected and recognized, ears are not necessary for conformation) It is not threatened or apprehensive. No need to go on the defensive, no need to go on the offensive
#3 Suspicion--whiskers not drooping, not relaxed, not wired.
jaw not relaxed, not clenched, lips pursed, eyes hooded, not squinted, not piercing(What are you going to do, you told me that before, I don't believe you, prove it)
#4 Aggression--whiskers wired, jaw(think pistol cocked, think rifle hammered back), eyes laser targeted. You are looking at a red dot on your chest. You've been called, and it is your move.
Look at young Cainan. Very good. Except as you progress and start working with differing sexes you will discover males don't warn. Warning is a female defense of the young trait. Males just assume you know, like they do, that you are a dead man walking.
Mary Ann,
Please explain what you meant by considering the nature of Snow leopards and tigers?
Wade
Wade, simply that tigers are known to be aggressive, and snow leopards are not.
Mary Ann
Adam,
I am sorry. I didn't know you had posted, as I didn't moderate you. Excellent, I guess you listed better then I thought you did. LOL I love you, and am exited to see you in a few days. Pops.
I mentioned thinking like the animal, and not expecting the animal to think like you. Feel what the animal is feeling. Because their emotions are instantaneous, and change just as instantaneously to survive, you have to react/read correctly just as instantaneously for the same motivation, to survive. For you horsewomen training the prey animal emotions and changing emotions are just as instantaneous to flee, and your reactions are just as instantaneous to prevent fleeing. They are all the same fleeing and aggression are motivated by fear. Your reaction to their action will give them the confidence to stay and survive, or the insecurity to flee and survive.
Not making mincemeat, just suggesting, Two horses, Casey and Adam, have seen a stream before, and walked right through. One horse Jody who had never seen a stream before, stopped put her nose down to smell it, looked left looked right, and walked right through. One horse, Dianne who had never seen a stream before, walked fast right through so it didn't come and get her. One horse, Mary Ann who had never seen a stream before stepped in, stepped out, tried to go around it, tried to jump over, saw the other horses on the other side, and walked right through.
Horse ladies, have you not dealt with all of those scenarios, different reactions to the same situation. I suggest you need to be flexible and react to each animal, and not expect the animal to react to you.
Wade
Jody,
That is what I meant by heaving a sigh of relief.
I give humans animal emotions, instead of giving animals human emotions. I'm an animal trainer, I'm a human, but I have to think like them.
Mary Ann,
Where did you get the idea that Snow leopards were less aggressive then any other feline, put in the exact same situation. Size will play a small part, until push really becomes shove.
Wade
Wade,
Thank you for explaining. I often say you just have to think like a horse and not like a human. But you also need to understand how a horse thinks. I don't have that experience with cats or elephants so it's harder for me.
Wade, I was looking for the article online last night, and couldn't find it. In August 2004, a cat keeper at my favorite zoo showed me an article in a magazine, I thought it was Time, that said that snow leopards and cheetahs will not usually attack humans.
Mary Ann
Wade I sent an e-mail with several references about snow leopards and aggression.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
Did the articles state why they rarely do. And I am assuming it was in reference to wild felines. It is about environment and physical capability's, not their nature-psyche. Snow leopards live is almost total isolation, rarely ever coming into contact with humans. When was the last documented death by a cougar coming into town to kill somebody. What size of prey is a snow leopard or cougar capable of killing in comparison to a 250 lb. human. There has been documentation of spotted leopards going into a village and killing a child. I submit the home of the spotted leopard is also the home of the child. Cheetahs lack retracting claws the most valuable tool in killing prey larger then it's self. Again a bear which also lacks the retracting claws has size in it's corner when killing humans. Large felines have that valuable weapon, they live together with humans, and the greatest equalizer of all size. Ability and availability, which the snow leopard and cheetahs lack.
In a captive environment of all things being equal, they will all react to defend themselves. The smaller felines will attack but lack the physical size to kill. Because of this smaller size they will slink or become intimidated in training process. A cheetah was hard wired a long time ago to accept that they can catch it, but they can't keep it or hold onto it.
Wade
Mary Ann,
I have been chewed on by a snow leopard. I guarantee, if it has teeth and claws, and you push the rite (or wrong rather) button, it will attack. The normal response for Cheetahs and Snow Leopards may be to flight, but if that option is not there, I promise they fight.
Jody,
Yes you do have the ability with cat's and elephants if you have it with horse's and vise versa. It is all the same. Predator/prey. Survival factors. Offense/defenses. You take ground or you hold your ground. That is animal training. Mary Ann is a mathematician. Is all math not basically equivalent/the same thing? People skilled in one area of math sometimes will be intimidated by another area, because they seem/appear different. The acceptance of it/them all being the same/similar, removes the perceived "difference factor" and they are all read/equated for the final solution.
Wade
#1 is Apprehension.
#2 Analyzing -- but in a predator that can also be a hunting behavior. If you're outside the cage and turn your back don't be surprised if the cat takes a half-assed run at you.
#3 Still don't like this picture, too staged.
#4, Which Casey aptly describes as "warning" is more staging -- defensive aggression rather than social aggression. The difference between the cat that swats you, or a short charge because it doesn't like what's going on, and the cat that comes down off its seat and crosses the arena when your back is turned.
Wade,
You make it sound too easy......
Put me in a cage with 1,2,3,or 4 and watch how quick I hold my ground......Not........and wet my pants.......Yes........LOL
I'm not afraid to admit to my weaknesses.......
Again, I'm sure if I had been around cats or elephants I would be more secure in being able to read them.. I don't think you, Casey, and Adam can relate just like me trying to tell someone who's never been around horses the same thing... That's why I do enjoy the youtube acts when you guys criticize which allow me to learn more. So dig up some more of that stuff..
BTW:
I expect lots of good pics from the wedding...All with your clothes ON!
Jody,
Everything is easy if you don't let it intimidate you. Why be afraid of a 400 lb. object and not a 1200 lb object, both of which can hurt or cause death. Because you are convinced they are different. THEY ARE THE SAME. You read them, and react to what they are saying them same way. Miss reading any of them, and over reacting will cause a negative response. As will under reacting cause a negative response. Reading correctly, reacting correctly. The most important factor in training any animal is CONSISTENCY in reading and reacting.
Wade
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