So far the ballot for valid votes stands at 2 for Gebel and 0 for Beatty. I know Gunther would decline before he would accept under those circumstances. So make your vote like a president. No opinion, or reasons, just the set critique as the standard. I don't want to assume that anybody is afraid. We have already shown the warm welcome. We can't topple Hussein so buck up, little Buckaroos. We will watch so he doesn't jerk you out of the polling booth. For those who feel the need to tightrope and feel it isn't important, I'll agree and say don't try to give it to Clyde then just because you want to. All who feel a standard is important, now is the time to set a standard.
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Monday, April 28, 2008
SuperStar-- Clyde Beatty--Gunther Gebel Williams
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Wade G. Burck
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sssso now it seems you have defamed one of Americas greatest Treasures in calling him "Infamous". I am not politicking for either one and this whole bull shit, I gue4ss is your idea.
So now lets bring this debate and comparison by vote up to date. Who would vote for WaDES LATEST ENDEAVOR in Evansville and the Lance Ramos trained act now appearing with the GSOW.
Johnny,
Show me where I called him "infamous"? Please.
Wade Burck
Johnny,
If you want me to respond to that "question", I will have to slough two people that you like, and admire. With the written/photographic evidence. Do you want that?
Wade
Johnny,
You want to be careful you don't scare these first of mays away, that have come here. We need the blood.
Wade
The term "superstar" is a subjective assessment, yet there is no set criteria for applying the term. From an economic perspective, Alan B. Krueger's studies of the concept of the "superstar" in the music industry suggest that the top earning bands could be called "superstars". However, the term is also bestowed on individuals by media commentators, critics, and journalists, using aesthetic or other subjective assesment techniques in addition to quantitative criteria, or without quantitative criteria.
“[S]mall differences in the skill input of certain individuals may get magnified into large differences in the value of the service when that service can be consumed by a large audience that can share the cost.” As such “many people may each be willing to pay a little more to hear the best performer, who may only be marginally better than the next best performer, producing a superstar salary for the top performer.” This means that “even if the top executive of a firm is only slightly more talented than the next best person, that small additional talent is worth a huge amount if it affects thousands of employees or millions of customers.”[1]
[edit] History
[edit] Origin of term
In the 1960's and 1970's Andy Warhol popularized the term "Superstar" to describe people like actress Mary Woronov, star of Chelsea Girls, who started out dancing with The Velvet Underground. See also Warhol Superstar.
In the 1960's and 1970's Andy Warhol popularized the term "Superstar" to describe people like actress Mary Woronov, star of Chelsea Girls, who started out dancing with The Velvet Underground. See also Warhol Superstar.
The origin of the term in the context of celebrity is uncertain, but a similar expression is attested in a 1832 book by John Nyren,The Cricketers of My Time. Nyren described the 18th century's greatest batsman John Small as "a star of the first magnitude."
"A friend of mine named Ingrid from New Jersey came up with a new last name, just right for her new, loosely defined show-business career. She called herself "Ingrid Superstar." I'm positive Ingrid invented that word. At least, I invite anyone with "superstar" clippings that predate Ingrid's to show them to me. The more parties we went to, the more they wrote her name in the papers, Ingrid Superstar, and "superstar" was starting its media run. ingrid called me a few weeks ago. She's operating a sewing machine now. But her name is still going. It seems incredible, doesn't it?" (Andy Warhol, The Philosophy of Andy Warhol)
[edit] Early 1900s: Development of the Hollywood "Star System"
By 1909, the silent film companies began promoting "picture personalities" by releasing stories about these actors to fan magazines and newspapers, as part of a strategy to build “brand loyalty” for their company’s actors and films. By the 1920s, Hollywood film company promoters had developed a “massive industrial enterprise” that “... peddled a new intangible—fame.”[2]
Hollywood “image makers” and promotional agents planted rumours, selectively released real or fictitious biographical information to the press, and used other "gimmicks" to create personas for actors. Then they “...worked [to] reinforce that persona [and] manage the publicity.” Publicists thus "created" the "enduring images" and public perceptions of screen legends such as Rock Hudson, Marilyn Monroe and Grace Kelly. The development of this “star system” made “fame... something that could be fabricated purposely, by the masters of the new ‘machinery of glory.’”[3]
[edit] 1970s: Academic interest in stardom
According to Sofia Johansson the "canonical texts on stardom" include articles by Boorstin (1971), Alberoni (1972) and Dyer (1979) that examined the "representations of stars and on aspects of the Hollywood star system." Johansson notes that "more recent analyses within media and cultural studies (e.g. Gamson 1994; Marshall 1997; Giles 2000; Turner, Marshall and Bonner 2000; Rojek 2001; Turner 2004) have instead dealt with the idea of a pervasive, contemporary, ‘celebrity culture’." In the analysis of the 'celebrity culture,' "fame and its constituencies are conceived of as a broader social process, connected to widespread economic, political, technological and cultural developments."[4]
[edit] 1980s-1990s: Publicity tactics
In the 1980s and 1990s, entertainment publicity tactics have become “more subtle and sophisticated”, such as using press releases, movie "junkets, and community activities. These promotional efforts are targeted and designed using market research, "to increase the predictability of success of their media ventures.” In some cases, publicity agents may create “provocative advertisements” or make an outrageous public statement to “trigger public controversy and thereby generate "free" news coverage.”[5]
I will now place my vote:
Neither, they were both famous in their days, but I suggest their flames burned not long after they passed on. I believe a SUPERSTAR would be of the magnitude of Elvis, Bogart,James Dean,Marilyn Monroe, Babe Ruth. Both of these guys are heroes in my occupation, and I enjoy watching both on film, but I am biased. I would suggest 20 years from now we will be the few who remember them. Sorry to both sides, they really were not even close to "SUPER STARDOM"
Better trainer: GGW hands down
Most name recognition after his death: Clyde Beatty I say this because he is in movies, and until two years ago his name was painted on the sides of 20 some odd circus trucks going up and down the east coast.
Best showman: My opinion is Clyde. I know the lion isn't gonna eat him, but I still slide forward and get a bad feeling in my gut. Gunther had charisma and excitment, but I never got that kinda feeling watching him.
Casey,
Nice patch. Only Clyde or Gunther, to each standard. We all seem to want a standard. We can run your standard after this contest is over. Now do you see, Adam. It's all right. Or don't vote. Margaret hasn't cast one since hers was disallowed. So far with Logan it is 5 to 0, using a standard. Intangibles come after the game.
Wade
Casey,
You weren't supposed to get "that" feeling, it was a new time. And if you didn't he was as successful as the one who did. Some go to car race's to see wrecks as some suggest, but some go to see reflex driving. Look at the success of the "whisperers" or Solei. What is their public not "impressed" with? What are they giving their public? We aren't their public, so they aren't listening to us. They are letting us do our own thing?
Wade
Thats just it, your standard is rigged toward the blond guy.(you know it is) The standard I posted is off Wikipedia, they have had the standard you were looking for, perhaps you saw it, and didn't like their standard because neither guy, or any circus performer for that matter, will ever really be a "superstar" by definition. As entertaining as this is, seeing the old timers ranged up for Clyde while the 70s and after crowd lobbies for GGW, it is truly ridiculous, because it is unprovable, and it always will be. It is like asking, who is a better song writer Townes Van Zandt or Gary P. Nunn? WHO??? you ask,,,,I say exactly,,,who cares, I like them both.
Casey,
It is not rigged. You don't realize those have been give to me as reasons, why Clyde should also be a SuperStar. I just said, put Gunthers name beside it and vote. Have your contest and rules after. I'm not sure this is Casey? I have heard different arguments. Why was everybody happy with Greatest Subjugator for so many years. Look for the examples of it used with awe an respect. I still say he is The Greatest Subjugator. Never another like him. Okay subjugating/training, the same. Have you heard anybody announced as the Worlds Greatest Trainer? Have you heard anybody announced as the World's Greatest Subjugator? Who/what is the public looking at?
Why won't we let Clyde be the Greatest Subjugator of all time, like he was for years? His death and fame, as the World Greatest Subjugator has given him immortality.
Wade
Casey,
Explain how it is rigged, please.
Wade
It is rigged in the sense that the correct answer to almost all the Q's is Gunther, somehow deeming him a "Superstar" I suggest he was the worlds greatest animal trainer, and Clyde the greatest wild animal subjugator, but neither any where near being a "Superstar" by any reasonable standard.
Casey,
Those are every answer I got each time I asked what made Clyde better. The response, hes a better trainer. No he isn't, and he's a better presenter, no he isn't,and he's a better show man, no he isn't, and his wife worked a riding act etc. etc. Every thing that looked good by it's self. I thought let's use their standard, and stand another by it for comparison, and now they don't like the standard. Next contest,you decide, use the intangibles, and debate the merits of the intangible's. No, thanks I don't think I want Andy Warhol setting a standard for the circus. See if Baseball, or Opera, or even the Saddlebred world want's him setting a standard. I don't agree with a lot of saddlebred practices, so he might work there. Now I'm on record in regards to the horse show field.
Wade
Casey,
I also suggest Charley would be a good candidate for Greatest Trainer among others. If thats the standard then open the books on Subjugator. Then define the terms so we know what we are picking.
Wade
Margaret,
I suggest the women like everyone else is terrified to come into this warm WELCOME world and make a vote.
I will also suggest, rather I will demand, that your vote might be different if it was Myself and Gunther on the sexy list. And yours doesn't count because you offered an opinion. Sexy is an intangible that Harriet Beatty might differ with. Just Gunter or Clyde based on the list.
Wade
....I haven't voted because you stated mine didn't count because I injected sexy,which wasn't on your list....LOL....So my vote based on your list....
Trainer: GGW
Presenter: GGW
Showman:CB
Media Sensation: GGW
Movies/Video's:CB
Box Office Attraction: GGW
Author: I haven't read either one of their books,and I'm not going to, LOL.
Wives: GGW
So it's 5 to 2. Just like I voted before....GGW....Without any opinions.
Margaret,
Brilliant. This "townie" thinks this "show brat" or "show bum",(can I call you that) has had to earn a few things on her merits, irregardless of who her Daddy or who her Momma is. You've done well, in that scary different world.
Thank you Margaret.
True Charlie should not be overlooked. If there is a standard to be set he did combine a classic act that balanced exhalting the beauty of the animals with dignity for the relationship between humans and animals. Again, I must say that each of these three performers reflected the culture of the times in which they worked.
Adaline RBBB Blue
Adalide,
Sorry for the censor last time. You forgot your name. If we were discussing trainer as was suggested. We are discussing SuperStar in regards to Beatty and Gebel. It is 6 to 0. Do you have a vote.
We then should discuss the era's and which took Charisma. I have posted Gorillas and their demise for examples. Bushman also became more famous in a past era, the Snowflake did in a new. I'm not saying, but if a Gorilla can warrant 120,000 coming to see him, when he was dying? What effort was required to become "animal famous"?
Intangible's that are the meat and potatos.
Wade
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