Does anyone have any idea who's liberty act this is? It appears to be "European" or the trainer has "European" roots as they waltz on the reverse, which is a standard "European" practice. Interesting split reverse as the reverse horse's reverse one at a time, and then change back one at a time instead of the standard group split. Also interesting was how they revered into the wheel. This is an unusual ring as it seems to have 3 openings and the animals exit out the front. You will note the great advantage to working on "dirt/prepared ring surface" when the animal are able to race at breakneck speed and still keep their footing. Virtually impossible on an artificial/rubber/ring mat surface of a building show. A nice act, but I much prefer the precision and tempo of a harnessed, checked up liberty act, as opposed to the "Born Free, Run Bambi Run" trend. You will note the horse's getting out of position a few time's and on the waltz the last horse only waltz's once out of 4 tries. That is because his nose is thrown to the outside and his inside shoulder is dropped as he shoves the other horse's. Just my opinion, but again I prefer a controlled precision as opposed to acting the damn fool. This act is for sale, by the way from
goldenstudioanimalsinc@yahoo.com
Question for John Milton Herriott: Why do you suppose there is a tendency for European act's to do a lot of their behavior's on the reverse, such as the waltz, while here in the Colonies it is normally done in the counter clock wise direction. Is it somehow "easier" on the reverse? Do you agree that a horse prefers moving in the counter clock wise(left) direction and many will really fight to get back in that direction, after being reversed clock wise(right?) Is it possibly easier to get a waltz out of them, if they think they are being reversed back into their preferred direction? I don't think I have ever seen a head to tail waltz done on the reverse, but it is standard practice in Europe to do a single waltz on the reverse.
Thursday, September 29, 2011
Unknown Liberty Act
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a Google search found that Golden Studio Animals is Garden Bros Circus. That doesn't sound right, but it might be Ian Garden's business name for the training business.
While doing the search, I ran into this video. I used to have it (It was nmaed 'Free Dressage in the Circus Ring' also) It's an awesome video - have you seen it, Wade?
http://www.thehorsestudio.com/circuskniedvd.html
Ian
Ian,
I was not aware of the video you mention, and it sound like a great one. Is there a lot of horse stuff, or is it one of those "talking, interview" type of deals? I would be real interested in it, if it was a "Hello, I'm Fredy Knie. Let's get started" followed by two hour's of horse training video.
You are correct about Golden Studio Animals being Ian's business name. I talked to him last night about this act. I was aware of it, but had never seen it or a video. It was indeed trained by a "European" named Flavio Togni. Ian described it as a "trainers act" meaning it was a pretty intricate act, with some unusual behaviors as seen, that as a rule the general public doesn't appreciate, but a trainer does. Hence the term "trainers act." Flavio trained it a few years ago for a major touring horse show and they used it until they contracted Sylvia Zerbini's act. It was then taken to Canada and housed which is where Ian saw it. The act was for sale and he made them a standard offer, which was "less then they wanted to accept, and more then he wanted to pay." :) They declined the offer, but contacted him a few months later and sold the act to him. He wanted to resell it to someone in the circus, but there was no interest, and he was afraid he was going to have to "eat it" and take a loss on the purchase price. As luck would have it, Sylvia left the show and they were again in need of a liberty act and repurchased the act back from Ian Garden for "more then they wanted to pay, and less then he wanted to accept." :) You can present as much "Born Free, run Bambi run" Kool-aid as the public will consume, but at the end of the day it is still about profit and making the nut.
Wade
Wade, it isn't a pure training video, but lost of rehearsal and winterquarters sessions. Here's something interesting. They carry riding saddles for the horses on the show and take them on cross country rides on days off to get them out of the stalls, recruiting all the grooms and some show people to ride the whole big stable of stallions. That's pretty much unheard of isn't it? There is,of course some beautifully fimed video of the horses in performance, some footage of Freddy Sr. schooling riders at the Swiss millitary acadamy - a cool bit with them exercising all the stallions (I don't remember how many, by there was lots) at liberty around the circumference of the big training barn - Geralidine and Freddie training a high school horse, a hind leg walk, (with no climbing wall - can you IMAGINE? LOL)the courier act, etc Anyway, it is such an interesting video, it's well worth the price. Sold my copy on Ebay when I was getting $ together for a new harness stitching machine.
Ian
Oh, I meant to post at the time. A local fair that Adam worked last year had Bruno this year. No comparison in the condition of his cats vs Adam's. He still has the old narrow cages and the tigers are mostly old with lots of cage rub spots. Quite a contrast to Adam's group.
Ian,
Liberty horses trained to ride are pretty much unheard of in the Colonies, as don't you know it is only those candy ass hooligans that ride their horse's through the training routine. It was discovered long ago in the private sector that taking a show horse, who has a hard and regimented life, out of the show ring and into the trail's around the property, did wonder's for his psyche and mental health. His general outlook on life improved greatly once give a bit of "freedom."
Sounds like a great video, thank you for pointing it out. It is definitely on my "purchase at first opportunity" list."
Thank you also for the kind words regarding the condition of Adams animal. He is probably old enough now to understand why "Pops is such an ass when you don't look after the animals properly." I had an "issue" with a young trainer down Mexico way a couple of weeks ago, who couldn't be bothered to see to the care of his animals. I "explained" to him in no uncertain terms that it "doesn't matter what you do in the ring. That doesn't account for squat, if you have not met and addressed each and every one of your animals want's and need's. Their physical health and well being are your number one priority. Take care of that first, then worry about the insignificant performance next.
Wade
Its a great DVD and if your smart you will buy the one that has Egon von Neindorff's school on the b side. You can buy that DVD on Amazon or Ebay for about 4 bucks. Dont let the price fool you.
I just wondered what kind of harness stitching machine that you were buying that you needed to sell a five dollar DVD to buy?
It's a $5,500 Adler machine from Germany - (probably what your rotted out single-wide trailer is worth), smartass. I had a very large collection of antique training books and engravings that I sold - the video was one item in my collection.
Ian
Ian,
Sweet comeback, probably what your rotted out single wide is worth. :) I only posted the nitwit because he signed his name, he obviously doesn't care if he sound's like a moron, and thirdly I knew you would appreciate being able to respond back.
I used to be awful impressed with General von Neindorff's method's and in fact have the DVD the Turbaned Goof mentioned. Don't run out and buy it just yet, as I am going to have another look at it and study it real close. If the Turb is endorsing someone I get worried. They may not be all that. The last buckaroo Turb endorsed turned out to be a real hootenanny, don't forget. Even if he is married to one of them there master trick horse trainers.
Wade
LOL, Wade, by the way, I believe you have one of the pictures I sold - If I remember, Adam bought it.
I was away from the blog when the Allen/Turb thing was going on, but went back to check out that series. A few years back I was asked to do a trick training demo at a couple of horse shows. My horse at the time could only do a few things, but it's amazing how you can stretch some changes, bows and pedestal mounts out to a half hour when you get going with the shpeel, and the local folks were so impressed, I was embarrased to be doing it. They thought I was some great horse trainer LOL. I almost started to believe it for a second. I can see how easy it would be to get caught up in the hype if you haven't been idolizing the really great horse people for most of your life, and know how small your place is in the scheme of things.
Still, because I did a lousy juggling act at one time, I can appreciate the great jugglers more than the average person, and the same goes for animals. If I didn't have the small-time experience that I do have, I would never fully understand what goes into the great performances, just like I love the work of the great saddle makers, but could never get there in my lifetime.
There's no shame, to me anyway, in being an admirer who can recognize greatness (or not-so-greatness) in other people's work.
Ian
Off the subject. Looking at the Turb playing with his donkey ade me think of it. I once trained quite a nice act with 3 donkeys. Those guys we about the smartest animals I think I've worked with. Even though I trained by myself, often with managing 3 lunges without tangling, they did a nice routine and never once jumped the ring when I took the lunges off. That was back at the farm. A WHOLE different story working in a tent with music, etc. It was as though they had never learned a thing. I ended up scrapping it and put one of the donks in the goat act, where she stood with her front feet on the pedestal with ears up, shaking like a leaf for the whole season, (though she did do a good hind leg walk). THEN I knew why there have been few, if any, donkey liberty acts in history.
Ian
No reason to get upset.
It was just a question.
Wade I dont expect you to appreciate the style of horse training or even performances that I admire. Your a circus guy, nothing wrong with that as I always say that many great European Horse Trainers came from the Circus. I would even say that Dressage was invented in the European Circuses, but many of the American Circus performers have not recieved the proper educationa nd be able to understand what they are looking at when it comes to Equestrian Art and even those who are educated enough to know what they are looking at can't agree so to each their own.
Still I appreciate that you do try and keep and open mind.
Hope all is well.
Riz, The Turban Cowboy
Turb,
It wasn't a question,it was a shot. Get real. What do you mean a "circus guy?" Why do you stereotype people like that? It is unfair. Are you a "donkey guy?" Am I to profile and assume all donkey guy's are nitwits? Or do I assume there are a couple of some reasonable intelligence. I have spend half my life earning a living in the circus, and half my life earning a living out of the circus. I officially retired from performing in 1995. You asked me one time why I "keep running back to the circus." I don't. I get enticed back occasionally(twice since 1995 by the lure of big money. There is a lot of that in tiger training, but not much in performing. That is why I am currently in Mexico. Since 1995, in between those lucrative tiger training gigs, I pass my time getting Arabian horses under saddle which is my real passion, although not as financially pleasing as tiger training. I have never wanted the anchor of owning my own animals and instead enjoy the freedom to go anyplace at anytime and train some of the finest. I don't want to own, I want to train. I have never advertized or placed an ad any place at any time ever, and have never had the need to. Before you respond with "well, I have never heard of you" that's most likely because we are two different dog's living on two different porch's, Turb.
How does one educate ones self in the equine art's, in particular you. Let's start there with your educational qualifications, then you can wrap up with your work experience.
Why do you despise folks with money so? The one's that can buy high quality horses, live on million dollar estates, and drive big shiny chrome rigs, I mean. You remind me of Becky Sue at the horse show whining because she didn't win and the only reason she didn't was because her Daddy couldn't afford to buy her a top gun show horse with a fancy silver saddle, like Bobby Jo's Daddy can afford to buy for her.
Come on Riz, knock the chip off your shoulder. This is America, God Bless America and anything is possible if you want it bad enough and are willing to work until you collapse. If your aren't a member of the Golden Sperm Club, born into wealth, you need to kick into high gear and develop a skill and talent that folks will pay money for. Then you can buy lot's of high dollar horses, even hire a high dollar trainer if your time is at a premium. You won't need to rescue dinks from the killer's any more to pretend like you are playing in the same game. Best of all you won't have to suck up to amazingly talented people in an effort to get your picture taken with them or breath their air for a moment. Folks like you will instead suck up to you to get a picture and some of that rarefied air. Think about that. With a great effort in developing a skill you will be the suckee and not the sucker anymore.
Look forward to hearing from you and learning more about the University of the Turban Cowboy.
Wade
Hi Wade,
You can buy that house but you cant buy class my friend or ability.
I invite you to Saddle up a horse you trained and we can settle it with a nice game of follow the leader.
My number is 817 919 5556 and you can reach me anytime. We can have a dick measuring contest after you lose in the horsemanship department.
Riz
Turb,
Get real Pal. That would be like me playing one on one hoop's with a mentally challenged child. What would be the point? Even if I didn't call him for double dribbling and let him run out of bounds, the outcome would be obvious before the game even started.
As for "dick measuring"(that must have been what you meant by "class") mine has been measured against some of the best in the Animal Training profession. I am more then aware of it's size.
You are like your running mate, Pogue. You avoid the question's, and instead retort with some macho bs.
How does one educate ones self in the equine art's, in particular you. Let's start there with your educational qualifications, then you can wrap up with your work experience.
Look forward to hearing from you and learning more about the University of the Turban Cowboy.
Wade
Ian,
I have only dealt with 5 donkeys. One that I had when I was young on the farm in Hillsboro, N. Dak. and 4 that I trained in a liberty act for Ringling along with 4 llamas and 4 camels. They were beautiful 3 year old silver grey stud donkey's whom I named Spade, Club, Heart, and Diamond(the 4 Jack's, get it? Pretty creative, right?) Getting them into the ring barn the first time was admittedly "traumatic," especially for the staff(I lost two that day) but after the "4 Jack's" learned that was where the cookies were they were pretty cooperative. They didn't fool with the camel's much, but they would sure give the llamas hell if you didn't keep an eye on them. They were later sold to Gee Gee Engesser and she gelded them and used them in her Wild West Show at Parc Safari in Quebec for a number of years.
Wade
I understand.
If you ever find your balls and want to try let me know.
Turb,
Your the first on my list, should that day ever come.
In the meantime, while you are waiting: How does one educate ones self in the equine art's, in particular you. Let's start there with your educational qualifications, then you can wrap up with your work experience.
Look forward to hearing from you and learning more about the University of the Turban Cowboy.
Wade
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