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Wade, are those Palominos ar rhe rear right? I don't believe that there were Palominos in the Living Carousel?
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
With due respect, I will refer you to your comment on the girl doing the bow. Yes, there are Palominos in the living carousel. Fresians, grey(not white) Arabians, and Palominos. They are the "golden" colored ones.(not cremelo or champagne) LOL
Regards,
Wade
Wade, I just went back and watched the living carousel again, and it never fails to bring tears to my eyes. For anyone who is new or hasn't seen it, it was posted on Tuesday November 11 "Fredy Knie Jr. family 2006".
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
I may have been the one who inadvertently made you not realize there were Palominos in the act. I just looked at the thread(thank you for referring folks to it. It is as circus, as circus can get.) and realized I wrote 6 Fresians and 6 Arabians, but a few sentences later I mentioned 18 horses. So I guess that patch is no good. LOL
Wade
Wade, coincidentally I just watched it again trying to learn more. There are the six black Fresians, six grey Arabians, and six others during the wheel, but when they start the carousel, they slip in extra horses so that the six grey Arabians form the innermost circle going counterclockwise, the six black Fresians form the middle circle going clockwise, and there are eleven horses forming the outermost circle going counterclockwise, some of whom are Palomino, and some appear to be cremelo or champagne. Are the Palominos simply called Palominos, or is there also a breed name. What about the ones that appear to be champagne or cremelo? Also is it the grey Arabians that Geraldine is working naked at the end? The more I understand it, the more enthralled I am, although for some people it is the opposite; they don't want the magic analyzed out of it.
Mary Ann
Maryann,
The horse that rears for Fredy at the end is a Russian breed called an Akhal Teke-he has a copper brown (dun), and a cremello. The two horses that rear (hind leg walk) for Geraldine are Arab stallions without full harness-very typical conclusion to their liberty acts-outstanding!
-Chris
Mary Ann,
Yes there are a couple of cremelos as they are in a sense a palomino only lighter colored. Palomino is a color breed, as it is a color that can occur in any breed, except Arabians. If your Palomino is a quarter horse it can be double registered in two associations as a Palomino and a quarterhorse. Living carousels are not trained as such as they really don't do much behavior wise given the space restrictions of the ring. They are created with older liberty acts that are retired or not working. An example you make an act with 12 Freisans, and then maked an act with 12 Palominos as in Europe the shows change regularly. In America the old act would be sold, in Europe it is retained, Now you make an act with say 12 paints. Now you have a carousel. You do the new act with 12 with a lot of wheels, two's, four's, piroetts, etc. and at the end bring in the extra horse just for the magnificence of a Living carousel. Christal Sembach did one for years on her show, as she retains all the older animals and gives them a home until they die, as do the Knies. I don't know if those are the same horses with their tack off, or different horses. If you go on the site that I posted today from Simon, he has some beautiful pictures of the Knie animals and their stabling. I have heard stories of Living Carousels with 50-60 some animals with a thing that looks like a wedding cake in the middle of the ring. I posted a wood cut of one a while back. I don't understand how they work, and the only pictures I have seen are "artists renderings." I asked Col. Herriott to explain how one works as it had mentioned on one time on Buckles blog, but he must not have seen the comment. Maybe he will see this one, and answer that for us.
Wade
Wade, thank you.
Chris, thank you.
Mary Ann
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