This photo ran on the "History Channel" this morning and I left this comment for Jim Alexander which didn't cut muster for some reason:
Jim A.,
I'll bet you cringe when you see examples like this of Sea Mammal husbandry practices of "day's gone by?" I don't think changes and a different way of thinking were necessarily bad.
Regards,
Wade Burck
Yet these responses in regards to hippos, Alligators, and petting zoos were deemed appropriate:
I talked with Roy Zinser one time and he said that Frank McCloskey always wanted Roy to spot his trailer near the front of the lot, which was always near Big Otto and all of the smells that went with the location. Roy said that Big Otto was actually a female.
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Big Otto was indeed a female hip. Big Otto was with the Beatty show in 1958 and then Beatty-Cole from 1959 until her death around 1975 or 1976. She died as a result of injuries sustained when her semi rolled off the highway in northern Alabama near Muscle Shoals.
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Does anyone have a photo of Hoxies "Homo-Pongodie" show?? The story I always heard (please correct if wrong) was that he bought it from a roadside zoo..and that Hoxie loved the show because it doubled as a concession stock truck.
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In the early 60's, they had an alligator pit show. One of the alligators died and on the move from Racine WI, to Beloit it somehow got in a ditch beside the highway. The State Police were all over the show that day, but someone got payed off and the event was never mentioned again.
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"If we don't study and learn from History it will repeat itself, is a very profound quote. Fortunately the world will never, ever, let that happen again, as animal husbandry advances.
If the industry accepts the responsibility, we may understand where the dislike and animosity that Chris B. alluded to came from. There might not be a need to look for a new name like theater or the arts, if we continue to advance away from the "good old days."
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
What is "unseemly" history, and what is "seemly" history??
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Wade G. Burck
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What does a sea lion balancing on one flipper have to do with "husbandry"? If you meant a training issue, just say so.
The case in point for training is this: just because you can, doesn't necessarily mean you should. You don't like bears on slides, an elephant on a tricycle, a horse sitting up, or the head in the lion's mouth, or a sea lion on one flipper. Ok. As much as it makes me ill to say so, I tend to agree with you. All these things are unnatural behavior which does not promote the grace or beauty of the animal.
HOWEVER, where does your personal responsibility lie, Wade? How is provoking a tiger to jump on her hind legs over two standing tigers, making her look like a deranged monkey, acceptable? You said yourself it even made her lame. Why would you want to teach an animal something which could potentially cause injury?
Now, I know you'll come back with some comment about how irrelevant my point is because I couldn't train that particular trick. No, I probably couldn't. But the question is still relevant.
Do these unclear "standards" you continually promote apply to everyone but you?
Pat,
I don't even need to read your drivel past "have to do with husbandry"? Your chip is blocking your view apparently. Husbandry is the "care/housing of." I was noting the rub marks on the sea lion and the general physical condition. I used to note the same rub marks at Marine land, when the sea lions were kept in the small iron cages/pools. They went cleared up, when they built bigger fiber glass/stainless steel cages/pools.
Of course, I would not discuss anything training related with you.
Wade
No, there wouldn't ever be a discussion about training.
A discussion implies more than one party expressing their view.
I like the hamsters. No rub marks.
Easy....Easy...
Wade had given a list of tricks that "he" felt were embarrassing to the animals. He also added it was "his" opinion, not that, teaching them to do the tricks was wrong. I only agree with half of them, I like horses sitting down and baby elephants on trikes. I could go either way on the bear going down slide thingy, since I have seen a few animal acts as a whole that were far more embarrassing to the animals that didn't have a slide in sight. That said, I am not an expert on sea lions, but in the morning when I clicked on Buckles and saw that one, I thought "what the F*&% happened to its tail fin, and why is it all scarred up" I didn't even notice the fact it was on one fin.
Come on now...
Play nice,,,lol
No, there wouldn't ever be a discussion about training.
A discussion implies more than one party expressing their view.
"I'm not sure about this? Is expressing a view, the same thing as having a clue?"
Wade
Casey,
Where did I say a corbette caused a tiger to go lame? Do you suppose when I mentioned I found after 3 corbetts the tiger got lame, and I refused to do a date because the show did 4 shows a day, and when I "suggested" I would do it 3 times on one day, any day, their choice and they refused the offer, so I refused the date, unqualified folks have somehow construed that to mean I am an uncaring, vicious Animal Trainer? And of course everyone who as a clue, has a point of view. Marcan and applauded the 3 hind leg walks, Some liked the corbett over individual tigers laying down spaced 3 foot apart, and Adam liked the corbett over the standing tigers, yet my favorite was the circle leap frog and leap frog over 5 tigers. Some with a clue suggested a 14 tiger situp had now become obsolete. Yes, there were no kiss 0 deaths, or single tiger sit ups with only a parade wave and finger point for control, and not a barrel roll to be found. But I'm old now, and I didn't have that much in me.
Wade
Casey
Note how I stayed away from any reference to irrelevant points? "Provoking a tiger to jump" spoke volumes to that view/clue deal.
Wade
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