Everybody has a visual preference to what they like, whether it be Arabian horses, Holstein cows, lions or tigers. I have never been as taken with a short animal or a large mane with belly hair. I visually prefer a lion like this, taller and leaner with a longer face. Jim Stockley who has viewed, one or two more then myself LOL, may have a different preference. I visually prefer Spanish Arabian horses, as well as a taller small headed Asian male elephant. I prefer a sleeker, more athletic looking "Bengal tiger", the less facial ruff the better, to a bigger longer coated Siberian. Larry Tetzlaff had 4 male lions long ago that were trained by Sonny Marine, and worked by a number of people, and if John Herriott will permit me, including myself. Their names were Numa, Rama, Baccuba, and Sulomon. All 4 beautiful Numa with a black black mane. My favorite visually was always Baccuba with a gorgeous blonde mane.
Monday, August 18, 2008
Male Lions
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Wade G. Burck
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Wade, I like the look of the long mane down the front of the lion in the top picture. However, the poor guy in the bottom picture looks like he's having a bad hair day, or maybe his hair is always that flat. I like the top mane to stand up straight.
Mary Ann
Wade --- Is there a difference in temperment between the Bengal and the Siberian? Or, other than size and fur coat, what is the main difference? Thank you. ToddP
Mary Ann,
It is the same lion. He is not fully mature, it looks to me. I will defer the estimation of age to Jim Stockley. I am smart enough to know when to draw my gun, and when to just leave it in the holster. LOL But you have seen me cowtow to Madame Col. Old Rossi, so I'm not telling you any thing. LOL
All manes are different, and I again prefer the flatter flowing ones. One of the lions I reference earlier, Numa had a beautiful black mane that was long and laid flat. But when he ran at you, it was gorgeous, rippling, weaving, flowing, undulating. Similar I imagine to Fabio rushing to your boudoir.
Solomon, not Sulomon, the lion riding the elephant that I have posted in the past, had a big bushy, black mane with belly mane, but he just never floated my boat like the blonde flowing mane. Different strokes.
Regards to Joe,
Wade
Wade, it's so funny that you bring up blondes, dark hair, Fabio, Joe, etc. For most of my life, the ideal male for me was one that had blond hair, blue or green eyes, square Germanic jaw, etc. That description fit my first husband, who was Scandinavian and gave me beautiful children. You have met Joe and have seen that he doesn't look anything like that. Guess which one has made me happier?
Mary Ann
Hey Todd,
How's across the water? I have never seen any difference behavior wise. The only difference I have ever experienced is size, and I have found the Bengal to be more "athletic" given their physic, but that is my opinion based on 34 years of dealing with them. People who have Siberians will tell you they are more difficult then Bengals, and people with Bengals will tell you they are more difficult then Siberians, and the few who have used Sumatrans(why would you, they are small and not as impressive) will tell you they are the most difficult of all. My first act was 7 female Sumatrans, and they are supposedly the hardest, depending on who you are asking, but I found in a short time it was how they were trained. The most difficult tiger I ever dealt with was White, and named Tony. Or so I thought, until I met Diego 3 years ago. Some with tell you White Tigers are harder or more difficult. THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT THEN ANY OTHER SPECIES OF TIGER.
Fact of the matter, there have been very few pure registered animals ever used for performing in modern times, unless that is what was available. It is of no importance in breeding an athlete with stripes, but in preserving a species it is paramount. But people like to say, I have pure this, and pure that, and I am the best because they are harder then the next persons. That's called self promoting paper, and you only say it to people who don't know better. That's why I am not going to guess at the age of the lions with Jim Stockley and Jim Clubb looking over my shoulder. LOL
Regards,
Wade
Mary Ann,
With respect to Joe, you might just be assuming with that statement. You didn't know me when I was blond, with my green eyes, and square Germanic jaw. And Margaret can just be quiet, because I am not asking her for her opinion, but conformation is appreciated.
Wade
Come on now....
Blond, Blue Eyes, Slender, Tall, Squared Jaw....
Mary Ann you were just here last week,lol
Casey,
That's how people see things different, what you see as slender, she saw as bony as a fence post. What you see as tall, she see's as a drink of water. LOL
Wade
Margaret said...
you do make beautiful babies.
Yes, Casey, I did notice, but if I had fallen on the floor in admiration, you would have thought me a dirty old lady, and your wife would not have appreciated it. Beside, as I have stated before, anything less than fifteen years younger than myself is too young for me. LOL Seriously, you are very handsome, and your pictures do not do you justice.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
Oh, for Christ sake. Last time I am going to mention it Mary Ann. KEEP A PAIR OF GLASSES HANDY!!!!!
Wade
"...as well as a taller small headed Asian male elephant." Any particular individuals you could point out?
casey mccoy cainan said...
Thank you, Mary Ann. My wife Natalie told me that she thought Wade Burck was the sexiest, best looking tiger trainer she had ever seen. That's just her opinion because she hasn't seen that many, but I have to say he is the smartest I have ever seen, and I have seen a few.
Wait tell I show her what you said about me.
I don't recall ever seeing Caesar. If you find a picture, send it along, I would like to him.
Casey
Hey, Wade -- Thanks for getting back to me. I asked about Siberian tigers because recently I read Peter Matthiessen's book "Tigers in the Snow."
As a kid, I always thought tigers lived in hot steaming jungles. But this book suggests that the tiger as we know it may have originated in cold snowy Siberia...and then traveled south. Matthiessen also suggests that hunters and poachers aren't the main threat today to Siberian tigers. Rather, it's friendly peace-loving farmers, moving into new formerly-uninhabited areas, farming more and more land --- and thus reducing the amount of free-running natural prey that the tigers normally feed on. As more land is developed for peaceful farming, there's less wild-land with its prey to sustain the Siberian tigers. As Matthiessen describes them, the Siberian tigers sound magnificent. --- ToddP
Todd,
Over population will always, with rare exceptions such as the Passenger Pigeon, the Great Auk, and almost the American Bison, be the death knoll of the worlds wildlife. Humans make love, animals only breed to propagate when conditions are ideal. You have a big family to feed, and you need additional land in which to grow crops to feed them, guess what has to go? The animal grazing on that land. It is not right. Animals don't understand. Let's hope the people in this world can.
Wade
Todd, I subscribe to that theory that the tiger as we know it may have originated in cold snowy Siberia, and then traveled south. I have seen other authors elaborate on the fur, the body type, etc. to make their case. For me, it is not a stretch also to subscribe to the theory that they originally were snow white, then developed stripes and color as camouflage in the jungles. When you see a tiger lay on its back, what do you see? You see a white tiger, since the underparts are not colored. I will agree that no one can prove that this theory is true, but I don't think that anyone can prove that it is not either. Wouldn't it be wild if it turned qut that the white tiger is really the vestige of an animal that no longer exixts, but was a link in the evolutionary chain?
Mary Ann
You counterfeit (edit) suckin, mother (edit).....lol
Wade, did not know you worked the Numa group. What year was that?
Will try to find some pictures of that group.
Darryl,
Roy worked them when I was first at Naples, and very occasionally JL. When I went back briefly in 1977 Larry was working them for some shows and I worked Sarang, Bahactie, and Tigre. On Larrys day's of I worked the lions,
Larry worked the 3 tigers occasionally also, but Sarang had some issues with him, so he spent most of his time with the lions and the "gun with the frozen water". Larry was a classic one of a kind was he not. Those lions were real beauties, also. All pictures I have from Jungle Larry's were taken with a cheap camera and are not much good. I have a real good one of Pepe the Jaguar, and Percy the tapir and that is about it. If I ever wished to go back in time, it would most likely be to Caribbean Gardens. What a deal for a boy from North Dakota.
Wade
I beleive that was 78 when you went back. Ro and Pat left in the fall of 77 and Dion and Dieter were hired to work the cats. JL worked the lions which was Pat's group of Chubby,Duke,Vegas,And Timbuk. Was afraid to take on the tigers and they hired you to get them ready for Cedar Point. I left in March 78 and came to the Medinah Temple to work caring for the 17 act. The Numa group was retired in 76 I think.
Wade, did you ever work the Jungle Larry's at Cedar Point?
Mary Ann
Darryl,
I don't recall those other cat's but there were 4 males in the old arena and building at the back of the park. I went back when Roy left and came to Hawthorn. The Numa group had been brought up to the show building from out in the park by the time I got there. They stayed inside the building, and the tigers stayed outside in the new cages that had been built since I had left in 74-75.
Wade
Mary Ann,
No I never did, and I have never even been there.
Wade
Ok, I know they did not come to Cedar point in 77 and were out in park when I left for Cuneo's in March 78. Have a photo of JL working Chubby, Duke and Vegas at CP in 81.
Darryl,
They were brought in from the park just before Margaret and I arrived there. I may be remembering wrong, but I believe he said he had brought them from remember what he used to call the Plains lion exhibit across from the alligator pool if you were standing with your back to it looking at the commissary and to the left. There is you walk down memory lane. God, what a memory it is living right in the middle of that jungle.
Wade
Darryl,
I apologize, I may have deleted your comment while I was trying to get the "Cute name" garage all in one bag for disposal.
I think you said, Brutus and his group. I may be wrong and thinking about the "old day" but was not Brutus and his group to the right of the Alligator pool, standing with your back to it and the Plains lions were to the left behind the commissary, and across from the leopards, past the old gift shop on the right going towards the entrance, passing the Cassowary, later rheas on the right, passing Pepe the Jag on the left walking past the safari trains and the "Amazon". God that place was neat.
Wade
Yes you are correct. Makes me want to drive sown for a visit. Haven't been there in about 7 years. Loved the park as well.
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