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This costuming is really pretty would like to see it live.
Dianne,
Stay tuned. I have more pictures, I too think it deserves many more looks. And it got Silver to the 4 men in white's hand balancing act. I wonder if any of the judges had trained an elephant or horse, so the could decide on that "difficulty" deal that is important in the Monte Carlo honor system.
Wade
Looks like he needs to tighten up the checks or teach them some manners. No. 2 is sure eating on lead horse. This is tghe people I confused with those other Cassblahblah blah.
Looks like that NoNo racing in the ring even with a rider on the lead horse. "Whoa,Whoa,Whoa" or however you say it across the water.
John,
You miss the point. It is about doing something different/creative, with, and here's the twist "beautiful horses". A pretty Spanish girl running with the "remuda". I am sure you know what a remuda is John, but for those that don't,
(Etymology:
American Spanish, relay of horses, from Spanish, exchange, from remudar to exchange, from re- + mudar to change, from Latin mutare. Circa 1892: the herd of horses from which those to be used for the day are chosen, and that by God is creativity.
Wade
John,
Don't forget I'm King of this by God castle. If you thought Buckles evaporated stuff quick, you watch how fast that 12 horse rear, with a bunch of them crocked and not together like the Herriott girl did with hers, disappears.
How can # 2 bite shit? He has a muzzle one. He might be trying to get a treat out of Merry Lu's pouch instead. They do a different deal over there with a lot of horse's that I haven't seen much of here. They use nosebands and they don't crank their chin into their chest. But I guess that is the down side of training slow and easily, instead of racing to that revered, all important dead line.
You mentioned it so I won't have to bring it up like I was going to tomorrrow, how a respected animal man could have visually mistaken these peoples elephants for that crap with the St. Bernards from a few years prior. Damn
Wade
Bullshit Wade. Why the rider on the lead horse. Thats elementary training. A muzzle does not stop them from trying to bite and the btrainer is in the wrong position for exicuting the wheel.
I make no claims about the line up for the rear. I did not train those horses and believe they passed from trainers-presenters without re4ally getting a good foundation. No alibi, only a fact and I did not submit said picture to your blog, but there are not too many out there that could cause any horses to exacute said maneuver.
Obviously your No Spin-expert commentary is a joke. That we in America crank their heads down is insulting. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have worked with the greatest trainers from here and abroad and our methods are not much different, except we have to train them to stay in the ring. Have I had to train with a deadline? You bet I have and that makes me a better more efficient trainer. Mr. Moroski trained the 12 King Ranch stallions in a very few months in wntrqtrs. Jack Joyce completely revamped his exotic avt adding llamas and Zebra in a few short weeks. Certainly we work under some undesirable conditions here with lousy rings, bad footing and different places to perform in. However I have travelled the globe and found that the USA is still the best place to be. We, American trainers, and you are one, have more comraderie with each other than any profession I can think of. I do not believe that is the case in Europe from the trainers I have seen come here and go back. I wonder why that for well over one hundred years that America has had the largest circus in the world and the best. You seem to be ashamed of your roots and country. I am proud of mine from Crazy Paul's to wherever I have been and proudly fought for my country well called upon. I will leave your blog with that and doubt if you will hear from me again. I guess I am not siphisticated enough to appreciate you and yours.
John Herriott,
Telling them to check the horses up tighter in not insulting, but telling someone to loosen the checks is? I don't know why you always start a pissing match. I haven't had the please of being around the greats here. Most of them were gone when I came around. You are the only one I had the pleasure of being around, and you whack me at every turn. I have had the honor of seeing greats that are still in Europe. Where did Miroski come from. You will find no reference anywhere, in the field of animal training, from horses to elephant to falcons to dolphins in which fast/quick is advocated. Never and it doesn't not point to superior skill in any way. It has been pointed out what it is, but I will let you find that, I don't want you to blast the messenger.
When you have been asked about footing in the past, there has been nothing wrong with it, and now it is "lousy ring, and bad footing". I think that's why I get confused John, you keep cross firing, and jumping from the left lead to the right.
I an also tired of the shots at my loyalty to America.
John, do you know how long ago that 100 years of greatness was? I saw a show the other day, a great on on the history of the rail show. The greatest years of the circus were filled with grift, larceny, non regulation, and self serving rules. I suggested it was too bad we could not have carried that tradition into the 21 century. The Festivals are doing a great job of it in Europe.
I don't want you to leave John Herriott, rest assured, I will take my time with you, and every once in a while I will but you back in a martingale, if I need to.
Wade
Bullshit John,
That's where the Vacaro rides, on the lead horse, bringing in the remuda. Hell, if he lead them in from the last horse, they would lead him into the hacienda, out the gate, and into the mountains. And besides, we already had a couple of "liberty experts" critique where European trainers stand for the wheel on a Togni blog, so go read those. First you said # 2 is "sure eating the leader", and when I point out the muzzle, you suggest, it doesn't stop them from "trying to bite." Eating, or trying to eat, what's it going to be. You have to stay on the correct lead Johnny, and quite changing directions at will. Stay between the reins.
Wade
P.S. to Vincent,
Forget what I told you in reference to the act running long in Evansville. It was not a patch/alibi, I was confused as to the definition. That's just a fact, and I did not ask you to come to Evansville, and there are not too many out there that could have executed said maneuvers.
Wade
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