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Bojo arrived in 1948 from Louis Goebel and died at Los Angeles 20 years later.
The Joyce pictured here (one of several at the LA Zoo) was a former Ringling elephant it seems. She died in 1979. Her replacement arrived from a Catskill Game Farm / Jacksonville Zoo connection two months later. She was sold to Hawthorn in 1990.
Radar,
Who was "Joyce's" replacement, who later went to Hawthorn?
Wade
I'm not following your trail Radar. The Joyce that went to Hawthorn came from the Hamid-Morton act in 1970. What Joyce are you talking about went to Hawthorn in 1990? Am I missing something here?
Bob
Wade and Bob,
The Hawthorn/LA Joyce was presumably moved out to make room for the numerous young Asians imported from Malaysia during the year prior. Becky and Billy arrived in Januay 1989; Rosie and Tess arrived in January 1990. Joyce was shipped out six months after the second import. I assume this is where she was renamed Hattie. Anyone know why, besides that Hawthorn already had one Joyce? Interesting that the three females imported by LA all ended up with the Johnson family. Can anyone explain the numerous transfers at different dates between the zoo and private company during the mid-nineties of at least a half dozen elephants?
Radar,
Hattie came from Vargas when the Vargas herd was purchased. She(Hattie) was on Vargas in 1981 when I was there, and she and Lottie were inseparable. I don't recall Hawthorn getting any elephant from the LA Zoo in 1990, and as Bob say's Joyce was with the original Hamid-Morton head. I don't recall two "Joyce's?"
Wade
Then what the hell am I talking about?
Radar,
And I quote, Stay on it, Pal. One way or the other you will either find the fact's or have to be institutionalized......"
Wade
I stayed on it and found the facts. No institutionalization for me.
I was correct in my original assessment ( though this time I have proof and not just quoting the Studbook ). The LA Zoo's Joyce ( former Ringling elephant ) died in April 1979. She was replaced by Taji from the San Francisco Zoo two months later ( renamed Joyce II ). In summer 1990, she was sold to John Cuneo. Cuneo already had an elephant named Joyce, acquired in 1970 from Hamid-Morton. Joyce II from LA ( actually the third Joyce in this scenario ) was renamed Hattie.
Circus Vargas Hattie was acquired in 1974 from Carson & Barnes Circus ( once known as April when imported to the Polack show ). She was retired by Rex Williams to Murray Hill's facility in 1992 due to arthritis.
When the Vargas elephants were purchased by John Cuneo and later leased back to Vargas with Chip Arthurs, Vargas Hattie had no involvement. She had been retired to Missouri. The elephants that died within days of each other were Cueno's longtime elephant Joyce from Hamid-Morton and Cueno's Hattie, purchased in 1991 from the LA Zoo and formerly known as Joyce II.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it :)
Radar,
Maybe you weren't, but you should have been. :)
Wade
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