This attack at a Ukrainian Circus is probably the most graphic and vivid recording I have ever seen of an arena attack. The one Josip Marcan has of me getting "downed and browned" by one tiger is candy ass compared to this. I watched it once, and I don't need to see it again, thank you very much. Of great interest is we finally get to see a "fork" in action. My conclusion is, like all tools, from a leash on a dog, to a bit on a horse, to a bull hook on an elephant, it will only be of use to you, if the animal want's it to be of use to you. If not your lunch is getting handed to you promply. I love you very much Adam, keep that in mind and please, please watch your back. My God, are animals not the most impressive thing in this whole wide world!!!!
Courtesy of Josip Marcan, Mike Naughton, and Jimmy Cole
Tuesday, October 5, 2010
Lion Training
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Wade G. Burck
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Man, my heart is beating like a drum. That is some terrifying footage.
This crock of crap was broadcast last night in Australia on prime time news. Within minutes there were 211 comments on one newspaper's site alone calling for all circuses to be banned.
Hey wade it's Joey frisco. What were the loins goin after just one guy ? What is the best thing in this case to do to help?
Steve,
If the morons worked as hard to ban cars after an accident, or flying after an crash, etc. etc. they might have a point. The way it stands they have no issue, just an alibi for their agenda of banning the training of animals. I have invited many into the cage, to use their "expertize" and show me how, but never had any takers. They all declined.
Wade
Joey,
Why are you wasting my time???? This is about real men, men who train lions. Not boy's who fool with candy ass elephants, because they don't have the stones to get in a cage. Don't you have to get the "girls" fed with their peanuts? Go practice that trunk foot salute, then come back. We might let you hang with the men.
Wade
Steve,
You gotta hand it to the "assistant". He was right in there, and doing his best. The trainer also did well attempting to restore order . Kudo's to both. Even the "broad" did her best to keep smiling and styling, and didn't exit the cage. I imagine the heel's would have hindered her anyway. LOL
Wade
Hi Wade,
Would a proper whip (twisted willow) and stick make any difference in a situation like this?
Jonathan
Wade, here is the full act of Pinko:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0o1OE2OGjU
There is two parts, this is the first.
Jonathan
I saw a news story that the offending lion had been sent to a zoo. The trainer's wife said that it was a great loss for his act since that lion did a good portion of the act.
To each his own. Europe can keep the fork, as it appeared pretty ineffective in this instance. I think in that situation I'd have flipped a pedestal on its side and used it like a snow plow. But hard to say what you will do when the S&%T hits the fan like that. Even just a short lash on a pointer whip across the snout I would think would cause more pain then the jabbing from those forks though. It has always seemed to me that pushing/jabbing an animal will illicit the animal to push back. Where as a sharp painful sting will usually make them want to get their face/ass out of harms way. Of course these cats could have been heated up enough that a bazooka wouldn't have stopped them, after they apparently already chewed on this guy. Everyone did seem pretty level headed in the video all things considered. I to was surprised the girl stayed in the cage?
Did this guy survive this attack?
You know wade I knew not to even attempt to ask you that kind of question. And why is that? Because of that kind of an answer. Ohh well I guess I will ask a true loin ans tiger trainer like taba ans lance Ramos !! Something about those. Self proclaimed legends .. If u are a young guy u can't ask any kind of question with out being put down. That's ok wade u can't help yourself being like that... Thanks anyways mr. Burke!!!!
Joey frisco Just trying to become a real man like wade Burke !!! Spare me all the bullshit wAde!!!
Jonathan,
A twisted willow would have been of no use in this situation. Lash whips are used to "bring" the animal to you. That is their only purpose. They are not used to "whip and intimidate" an animal, contrary to popular uneducated statements. This is one of those cases, they happen more, the longer you pursue the craft, where nothing can be done, except what was done. You try to survive as long as necessary, for the animals to calm down. Except the water hose's, that was new to me. Often a CO2 fire extinguisher, with a loud sharp noise and the sudden appearance of "fog" discharged, will startle an enraged hysterical animal, much like a slap in the face to a hysterical person, without the contact which will often lead to mare aggression.
Thank you for the video links. They would be interesting teaching tools because you can pick out the animals that were attacking, and you can see their "attitudes" when they were younger. If you are aware of that in advance, you can normally prevent an occurrence like what was witnessed later.
Wade
Anonymous,
As I mentioned to Jonathan, you can pick out that animal, and the others who attacked in the video links that Jonathan was good enough to forward.
Wade
Joey,
The lions were focusing on the one man, because they knew him as the "trainer" or the "head lion" or the "one in charge." All animals, from elephants to dogs, will focus on the one in charge as being the one to take down in a frightful situation. "He" is the one who can psychologically make them do what they don't want to do, and "He" is the one who must be eliminated if they want out of the fearful situation. You often hear that an elephant leaves the "goofs" alone. For the most part that is true, but not always. They don't look at the "goof" as a threat, or someone who can make them do something. They focus on the trainer. In the case's where they have gone after the "goof", it is normally always as a residual affect of being to afraid of the trainer, yet needing to strike out at something/someone. An animal will very seldom go after "everyone", but instead will focus on one for different reasons.
I almost thought Felica had written the second comment and not you. I thought you had grown out of that behavior. I am sorry that I offended you. If you knew as much about me as you pretend to, you would know that for all "young people" that I like and consider equals, I joke with and give a hard time to, as my friends and equals do with me. I will make sure I don't consider you an equal in the future and make the same mistake again. By the way, it is Burck, not Burke.
Kind regards, and give my best to your father. I hope all is well on the Greatest Show on Earth.
Wade
Thanks for those kind words mr. Burck!!! Even if you don't consider me as a friend anymore I will always consider you one.. Thanks wade!!!
Casey,
You can't slide anything like a snow plow on a rubber surface. Throwing it possibly, if it wasn't heavy enough to be a burden, making it easier to be grabbed as you struggled with it. If you could throw it easy enough, at least you would be far enough away, that you would have had a chance when he did come again. We are looking at males here, as you know, a very different "animal" from a female. They like it rough, don't intimidate much, and will bring it back just as rough. Trying to get the animal moving is the only option a person has in this situation. That lion may have stood his ground for 2 hours, and the show must go on. First rule of thumb in getting on a horse for the first time is "get his feet moving." All animal will sull, or sully up as it is referred to in the horse world. With horse's you have the option of getting of, getting their feet moving, and then getting back on. If you let an animal freeze or sully up, the next thing coming is an explosion. Watch two tigers go head to head. If they are both frozen inanimate object's, the shit is going to hit the fan and it is going to be a come apart. But if one or both are moving, either circling each other or running in opposite direction it exploded, then calms. With horses, elephants, and animals that you can "physically" touch, even if you just move half the body or a part, moving the hip around or the shoulders over you will free them up to start moving. That is the only option with something that is physically bigger and stronger then you are. Move a "part", forward, backward, sideways or around, what ever they will give you. You can't take it or force it. Get that small movement and expand it into a larger movement, but "GET THEIR FEET MOVING."
Be safe, friend
Wade
Casey,
I am assuming he survived, as he was never down long enough to have something "vital" damaged. Unless a horrendous infection set's in later. I was joking about the girl and her high heels. She did well in this incident as did the assistant who came in. If she had attempted to get out, chances are one would have caught her before she got to the door. You have a better chance of survival facing the adversary then you do running from it. I would be comfortable with both she and the assistant watching my back from what I saw on this short clip. Just because someone thinks they have the "courage" to go in the cage(which isn't what it is about at all), doesn't mean they are going to react properly when a situation like this happens suddenly. Going in the cage to perform, is a whole different animal from going in the cage, to get them off of someone or something. You may find someday that the folks with the experience of going in, are the ones who stay out when something like this happens. I have found the ones who have never been in the cage, are often times the first ones in to help, while the ones with the experience tend to stay out and help from the outside.
Wade
Wade
Joey,
You are listening as you are too busy being defensive. I didn't say I didn't consider you my friend. A lot of my friends are numbnutes. What I said was I don't consider you an equal anymore. LOL Before you start sulking and throwing things around, I am just kidding. That's what friends and colleagues do, it is called "ribbing". In this business, the wanna be's and the never will be's spend way too much time speculating about the has been's. As you know it is called jackpotting. Always done in private or in a selected group of people, so that they can appear to be valid in what they are speculating about. Often if you are born into something you are not as aware of it as someone like me, "looking from the outside in". If you are comfortable with your skills and talent, you are comfortable with someone with the same skill's and talent "ribbing" you. You will note Josip, Jim Clubb, Jim Alexander, Emil Smith, Madame Col., and Col. John Milton and many others from the circus, zoo, and equine field, and I go after each other, sometimes pretty good. That's because we have nothing to prove to each other. We are not wanna be's, won't be's, or has been's. WE ARE.
Be safe friend,
Wade
To my friend Joey Frisco, Elephant Trainer Extraordinaire on Ringling Bros. & Barnum and Bailey Circus, the Greatest Show on Earth,
Geez, would you lighten up. I even tolerate Casey McCoy Cainin and Radar Putz Easley, for God's sake!!!!! I asked you long ago to call me Wade. I like that better then Mr. Burck.
Wade
Hey wade that's my pops on rbbb now I moved on just a week ago and you know I would never consider myself a elephant trainer! I am just the son and grandson of two great elephant and in my grandfathers case animal trainer in the business today. I have a lot of shit shoveling and trunk and salute to practice on before I get to be called a real elephant trainers.. I still understand were I am at in my career got a long way to go!
Thanks wade.
Joey,
You still misunderstood. I don't consider you an elephant trainer either. Where in the world did you get the impression that I did? I just threw you a bone, like a reward to a young lion you are training, who appears confused, upset and angry. LOL Don't get your knickers in a knot, I'm just kidding. So you have decided to get off of Pop's tit and go it alone. Good for you, and I wish you the best. 30 years ago if you had left Ringling there would have been nothing bigger and better to go to. But now there is at least better, as there is no bigger. Don't hook up with your Uncle, he is one of those numbnuts friends of mine I mentioned earlier. He would be nothing but grief for you, and you wouldn't learn a thing.
My best to your family,
Wade
U know i know alot of people that can work train an own tigers & lions Just because u can get in a cage with a tiger doesnt make u a man I mean really i know women that get in the cage an i know idiots come on i would really like to see u actually train a tough elephant Not present i said TRAIN!!! Cause im sure u just know all about elephant training
Wade u should really quite obsessing about me Im a young girl its so funny u cant stop saying my name but i guess it is a amazing name that any old man would want to repeat felicia FRISCO i think its hilarious that as so called great u cant leave a little girl alone... Im gonna be in the cage soon so i guess then i will be a man =) But unlike u i wont become a self center egotistic young girl name obsessing Jelous MAN =)
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