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Sunday, January 17, 2010
Incredible vintage Knie horse training video from 1973
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Wade G. Burck
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11 comments:
Loved this! Would love to have heard the Knie talking though.
Madame Col.
There is audio with the clip. Could you not hear it, or could you not understand German? The Lippizans free were a thing of beauty.
Wade
Wonderful. Not much different than what we do. Plenty help tho. Never bused so many people and lunges. Hopr the bay horse settled down. I would get him altered right away. This is a remarkable training video. The best I have seen. Surprised they put it out for public .
Johnny,
I heard you have been under the weather with a bout of shipping fever. I hope you are feeling better.
Now that that is out of the way, what do you mean, "not much different then what we do" It is a hell of a lot different then what we do!!!!! I don't think they wanted the bay horse to settle down. Gazi is very similar to the cremelo fighting stallion that Fredy Knie used in recent acts. Why are you surprised that it is out in public?
Wade
Yes I looked closely at the white beauties and wondered where they got such good lookings Lipizzans. I saw all those stallions run in and start squalling, would have loved to have seen the schooling process. Of course I know it starts one on one but still.....
Over the years we have trained so called "wild horses" very effectively. This is a horse that is not trained but out of contrll and obviously hey are trying to get it so at least it doesn"t come over the top of the presenter with its flying hoofs. That is why I suggested that I would hope they could get it under contrl. Been there and doe all of that, so none of it is a surprise. In the cole show Palomino act we had number twelve billed as "Smokey the lion hearted" he would come charging from the ring curb and effectively keep chasing the trainer out of the ring with ears back a high striking. After an effective mi nute or so he would then do a nice hind leg pivot finishing with pawing by the trainer on the ring curb. I trained a similar horse out of the olkd Clyde Bros. paint liberty act years ago. Again these horses were trained for that routine and any other time they were completely under control' I have had and see others as well. Other than alot of help and all those lunges, yes again it is all familiar to me. Maybe not you from lack of experience. However I assume you know how to train "bouncing" lions or tigers. Not much different. Beatty made a big hit with "bouncing" lions as did Pat Anthony and even your hero GGW. PS Its all been done before.
PS. I expect to be in good form Sat. Eve. at our "Circus Celebrity" nigh where we honor Jackie LeClaire, Bill Powell and my hero "CLYDE BEATTY". Hope to see you there. I also MCd the GGW celebrity night as well and also Charly Bar num.
John Milton,
Leave it to you not to answer a question, and instead take the opportunity to hang paper. The question was: "why are you surprised that they would "allow"(that's a good one) this video out in public?" I was talking about the beautiful Lippizzan stallion liberty act, as something that you would not see here in America. Leave it to the circus, it is that cockeyed, to have a putz introduce two genuine celebrity's like Williams and Baumann. Speaking of Beatty:
Hello Wade, It was very nice meeting you the other night after hearing so much about you. I would like to make a comment about Beatty on the blog about Celebrity Night.
I first met Clyde when Walter Kernan and Frank McClosky bought he show and brought it East. We remained friends from then on. When I took my hippo pit show over on the show the last week of the season 1957, he used to come up and look at it every day. I sold it to Walter and Frank . I was presenting it as The Blood Sweating River Horse from the River Nile. Floyd King named it Big Otto, Beatty and I laughed many times because it really was a female. I became partners with Walter and Frank with King Bros. Circus and Floyd was the general agent. I was back in Chicago meeting with Floyd in 1963 we visited Clyde in the hospital, they moved him on to California and he passed away. Floyd and I were the last show people from the East to see him alive.
Bob Snowden
Yes, I am sure I will make it, now that it is confirmed you will be there. I was disappointed you were a no show at the ring of fame deal.
Wade
I do not hang paper. I just btell the truth. I note no answer in regard to trained wild horses and bouncing cats. Interesting on the dummy up of the no spin zone.
JMH,
We have mentioned "fighting stallions" in the past, and when I mentioned Baskin Robbins, your response was a standard, "bullshit". Yet if you contacted Dana, she has an incredible video of him and I. Did the whole chase me out of the ring schtick. It was a "fill in" number. Bouncing lions I haven't dealt with much, or did GGW, but bouncing tigers is a different thing. What do you want to discuss about it. As mentioned in the past, I have trained many more horses, then you have trained tigers. Look at the video of Knie again, real close with your "experienced" eye, and tell us what is being done with that horse.
Wade
Just want to throw this in for the people reading so they understand. Bouncing a lion takes NO training....they do it naturally and are not going for an attack but rather a bluff to gain ground. Not saying they never attack, just that they "play" in a way that looks like an attack naturally. Tigers on the other hand do not charge or "bounce" unless they intend to down someone. So it is very important that they are "trained" to stop, when you say stop. This is why you see so few Bouncing tigers, and so many bouncing lions. Both look impressive, but they are apples and oranges when it comes down to doing the trick. I don't know shit about a charging horse, but I have noticed some breeds will charge and not mean to "really" hurt someone, where as some seem to only charge if they truly mean business. But I assume any horse can be trained to stop, just as a tiger can. The beauty of this horse is that although it seems "off the cuff" or "out of control" if you watch the person working the horse, instead of watching, THE HORSE, you will see every button being pushed, and just how much "In control" he is.
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