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this was a bad act. Just 20 seconds.
Thomas,
Don't a couple of younger kids, bring a white pony out and also do something?
Wade
They bring the pony and let him neel but the pony doesn't does it well. This was the only act I was dissapointed in, in this show.
Dear circus lover, this was not a bad act. You don't call bad something just because lasts only few minutes (and is not fair to say 20 seconds. 20 seconds you don't even have the time to walk in the ring, young man).
It was a little piece finely produced, as everything at Bouglione's. It has two beautiful horses, a magnificent performer, an expensive costume expecially designed, a careful work of musical writing and direction and a specific lighting design.
So, you can may be see that it was not a complete standard horse presentation, that it had some technical imperfection the day you saw it, but artistically it was a nice act.
Message to all circus fans: please, sometime relax, forget the fan attitude and concentrate on two of the main aspect for our profession is intended: the pleasure of general paying audience and the beauty in aesthetic. Thanks.
Raffaele,
That word "artistically" will always be subjective and in the eye of the beholder, and almost impossible to define. Some will look at a Picasso and see brilliance, while some will see schizophrenia. Some will look at the 4 guys in icecream suits at MC last year and see acrobats(art?), while some will see Chippendales(art?). Some will see an artist/hand balancer rolling/sliding around on the stage and see creativity. I would see seizure.
Regina's costume does look interesting though. Are the boots built in, or does the costume go over the boots? The sequin/rhinestone pattern/placement is all very good.
Wade
I agree with you if you call "beautiful" subjective. But "artistic" I consider a matter of fact when you clearly see state-of-the-art efforts in some combination of crafts, revealing some production value: and I dignify it as "artistic" even when I don't like it.
I prefer this Regina's short act with even a modest training to a ten-minute cheap, shabby presentation of some even perfect horse technique.
Raffaele,
I have been told "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" each time I lose my breath at a beautiful women, or it is "only skin deep."
How can we define things like "state of the art" with out a standard? It is each persons interpretation unless there is a clearly defined standard/definition in which to compare/judge/evaluate against.
Wade
Wade
Raffaele,
Ok it wasn't 20 seconds but the horse just came in the ring walked a tour did 2 tricks and it was done and she was the whole time yelling at the horse and hitting. The little boys couldn't not let the pony kneel.
Maybe it wasn't bad but for the quality of this show it may be better.
Thomas
Thomas,
You need to start looking at all animal acts, including cage act's with that critical of an eye Thomas. That is pretty observant for a 15 year old. I wonder what our French friend who suggested deceptive advertising on posters wasn't a big deal as "the fans know the difference" thinks about a young mans observation to things he sees in the ring. I still don't know how you can look at some of the cage acts you have seen Thomas and not see the same thing.
Wade
Thomas,
thank you for being more precise about the act, now I understand you better. But next time I'm sure you will balance those remarks with the quality of production value. You're anyway wise to judge this considering the context of this production, so I can understand your point. I'll see the show in few weeks and I'll report if it improved or not.
Wade,
state of the art for me is some common sense "high" standard in elements as production, set, costumes, lighting, music, sound etc. And Bouglione has obviously the best possible of those elements in the circus world today, as Thomas or other witnesses can maybe confirm. It is so high here that there's no space to interpretation.
This considered, we can still dislike the aestethics, but the level remains.
Raffaele,
I am not grasping what "quality of production value" means. I think if you put sugar on shit, it is still shit. You might think you are eating a bon bon, but in reality it isn't. And no the magnitude of Bouglione should not be judged by a few things, but they are worth noting. I agree totally with "state of the art for me is some common sense "high" standard in elements as production, set, costumes, lighting, music, sound" .
"Common sense" is why as I stated the other day I compare to the best I have seen. That offends people when it isn't them, but so be it. I think "artistic" in the circus will always be open to debate, influenced by friendships, ignoring of the intangibles, until such time it is like the Kentucky Derby. The best is obvious and indisputable that day.
Wade
Thomas,
Take heed of Raffaele's counsel. He knows of what he speaks, and that is rare in the modern circus.
Wade
Wade,
Don't understand what you mean with: I still don't understand how you can look at some cage acts you have seen ?
Rafaelle,
Yes I'll be more carefull at the future.
Thomas
Rafaelle,
I really need to confirm that bouglione has one sound, music, costumes, etc. Available. I found it really a great show !
Thomas,
You patched it or explained it nicely in your email. You didn't understand it as much as you do now. Learning and appreciating the truly great, and not accepting less are what it is all about.
Wade
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