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Wade, as you know, this is another of my favorite acts. For anyone who is new or hasn't seen the video, it can be found at:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=HcT9Cv25Y7Y&feature=related
Mary Ann
Wade, I just watched it again and it's question time, since I mentioned that the more I understand, the more I enjoy. At one point, is Alexia actually long lining the horses while Roman riding the elephants? What kind of horses are these, gray Arabians? The elephants appear to be African. Thank you.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
Andalusins, not Arabians, and yes to the Africans, and no to the long lining, not in the true sense of the word. Refer to videos of Madame Col. for the definition of long lining. This is more akin to Roman riding, which I have just posed a thread on, using different animals.
Wade
Wade, I watched Lorenzo in an attempt to understand better, and wikipedia was not much help on this one. "Roman riding is a style of horseback riding, usually performed as entertainment in rodeos. In Roman riding, the rider stands atop a pair of horses, with one foot on each horse." That much I already understood, but they don't explain the lines on the other horses, or how it differs from long lining. Can you address this please? Thank you.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
Lines in Roman riding are to keep the animals from running away from you. Lines in long lining are to guide and control the animals movements/directions, and to teach them collection. That is is real short version, as long lining is pretty extensive. A dog heeled walking on a leash is not the same thing as a dog on a leash pulling you, is another thought.
Possibly Madame Col. can offer more in depth thoughts on long lining, but as I say it is pretty extensive. That's one of the reasons why the craft is not practiced much any more. Pseudo trainers/presenters today want the show me in 2 day's version of animal training.
Wade
Mary Ann,
I have always wanted to ask you, but keep forgetting, but now I remembered. We have had many discussions about using a whip, and many of todays trainers not using it, because they claim, the people think they are beating the animals. In this video, note only Rene Casselly cracking a whip but he is also hitting the elephant with a whip. Alexis Casselly in additon is cracking a whip while Roman riding the elephants. Did you get offended or think that the animals were "beaten". I am just curious because I have never had an objection to a whip with the exception of the demonstration I mentioned with Farah. I used one as I have shown up until the day the elephants left. I have always contended it is "how" and for what purpose, like spurs the whip is used. Or did you know notice, because of the skill in which it was used.
Wade
Wade, thank you for this. For the lady who knew nothing about horses a short while back, the short version is more than enough.
Mary Ann
Wade, I did notice Rene Casselly using a whip and also Alexia. I did not find the use of the whips offensive, or I would not have enjoyed the act so much. I agree that it is how and for what purpose it is used that matters. I did not notice Rene actually hitting the elephant, because of the skill in which the whip was used.
Mary Ann
I shall be at Reims next Friday (16th) so should be able to raise any questions with the family. Feel free to pass them on.
John,
Give them my best, and kudos for maintaining a class act.
Wade
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