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"1904 photo of puma x leopard hybrid. This pumapard was exhibited at the Tierpark in Stelingen (Hamburg) and resulted from male puma x Indian leopardess"
Mary Ann
Colour photos of same animal are at
http://www.messybeast.com/genetics/hyb-pumaxleop.htm
Anonymous,
You have to use your full name, or email me at wburck3@aol.com with an introduction. That's why I didn't post you yesterday. We are glad you are here, but we need to know who you are. It has eliminated anonymous slander, which is better for every discussion.
Regards,
Wade
This same photograph appears on page 46 of “Animals of the World” (1917, republished in 1947).
The photo is attributed to Herr Carl Hagenbeck. The photo capton reads, “ This is a photograph from life of a very rare hybrid. That animal’s father was a puma, its mother a leopard. It is now dead and it may be seen stuffed in Mr. Rothschild’s Museum at Tring.”
Actually, two leopard x puma hybrid cubs were born in Chicago on 24 April 1896. The location was Tattersall’s indoor arena where the Ringling Brothers Circus was presenting its season opening engagement.
Details about the hybrids were published in The Chicago Chronicle for 25 IV 1896 and duplicated in the weekly Baraboo paper, the Sauk County Democrat, for 30 IV 1896, to wit:
“Two tiny cubs which look like young leopards were born at Tattersall’s where Ringling Brothers circus is housed, yesterday (24 APR 96). They are not leopards, however, Their mother is a mountain lion or cougar and their father is a leopard. They take after their father decidedly, and are the daintiest little members of the cat family ever born in captivity. In fact they are the only ones of their kind, so far as known, ever born, either within the confines of a cage or anywhere else.”
“These black and yellow youngsters were on exhibition yesterday and were admired buy all who saw them. The will probably be on view the rest of the time the circus exhibits in Chicago.”
RJR,
Once again thank you for the great information!!!!
I tell you what folks, if you are going to "throw down" in Richards league in regards to historical captive animal history, you better not come with one six shooter on. You better strap on a pair. and post a back up on the saloon roof, just to be safe.
Wade
Mr. Reynolds,
So "Animals of the World" is incorrect"? Thank you.
Mary Ann
In the late 1890s/early 1900s, three sets of twin cubs with a puma father and leopard mother were born at a zoo in Hamburg, Germany. One specimen was purchased in 1898 by Berlin Zoo from Carl Hagenbeck. The hybrid in Berlin Zoo purchased from Carl Hagenbeck was a cross between a male leopard and a female puma. Hamburg Zoo had one of the reverse, the one in the black and white photo, fathered by a puma bred to an Indian leopard.
In The Field No 2887, April 25th, 1908, Henry Scherren wrote "There was, and probably is now, in the Berlin Garden an Indian leopard and a puma male hybrid, purchased of Carl Hagenbeck in 1908. In his "Guide", Dr Heck described it as "a little grey puma with large brown rosettes." Another hybrid between the same species, but with a puma for sire and a leopard for dam, was recently at Stelingen; it resembled the female parent in form as may be seen From the reproduction from a photograph taken there."
Richard Reynolds do you know anything about the "Congolese spotted lion", which was actually a mixture of leopard x jaguar x lion born in Chicago around the year 1900? I think there were three litters of them and one was briefly displayed at London Zoo.
Billy,
I see you have learned real fast which library to reference for the really historical material. LOL
Wade
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