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Wade, is the top picture an example of the paralyzed trunk issue that you have tried to bring up before?
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
As far as I know, it is an example of a vitamin deficiency. The History Channel might have more information.
Wade
The first time I heard of paralyzed trunk was in Hans Brick's book "Jungle Be Gentle", which was a very honest account of the good and bad individuals.
Ian
Ian - I never met Hans Brick, but I wish I had.
From what I have read about him, and by him, I think that Wade might have included him in his Top Ten.
He sure did "tell it like it is".
PS: We're a bit s-l-o-w here at the bottom of the world ...... I've just worked out what the History Channel is!!!
By the way - Hans Brick also offered a thought that some paralysed trunks could be due to sunstroke.
Mary Ann,
I have posted a lot of pictures of elephants, and there have been many paralyzed trunks. The photos of Hawthorn elephants with Margaret and I had 2.
Wade
Ian,
Why are you assuming Brick was honest. Just because somebody is telling you what you want to hear, does not mean they are valid. Was he grinding an ax?
Wade
Steve,
"Telling it like it is" is not a requirement for inclusion in the Top Ten List.
Wade
No Wade, the book was not about gringing an axe. It was basically just the story of his life and each chapter devoted to a differnet type of animal he had worked with. Great old pictures of some liberty groups and high school and mixed animal acts.
The mention of the paralyed trunk thing came up once in a something he wrote about an elephant he had aquired.
I was a kid when I read the book, so most of it is vauge. But, it was in no way any kind of expose or anything of that nature.
I think you'd like the book if you read it.
Ian
Ian,
This may surprise you but I have never read Gunthers book, Charlys book, Clydes, Courts, Proskeys, or anybody else's. I don't read authorized autobiographys, unless I didn't know, or know about the individual.
I have close to 2000 books in my library, and I throw paperbacks away when I am finished, as I won't waste shelf space for them. In my collection of books is a vast amount of "zoo history." My large number of "training" books are falconry books/manuals, as well as many by the old riding masters and historic studs, where I have gained a great amount pertaining to animal training/behavior. I have amassed hundreds of wild life research books, particularly Gorillas, and a vast number of historic editions pertaining to bullfighting/rejoneador, where I have also gained vast animal training/behavior insight as well as the history of specific bull breeds and old history of breeding fighting cocks, but only up to the era of man made steel spurs, then my interest stops. And I have 2 Jim Corbetts, as I like and respect his efforts, and one that Richard Nixon autographed and sent to me after we met, and 3 old circus history picture books. Those are the only unrelated to animals book out of some 2000. So in regards to Brick, I don't think so. I have never found anything of use to an animal trainer, in an autobiographical animal training book, particularly if it pertains to one lion, and speculation on other endevours. I don't have much interest in how Barbara Woodhouse teaches one dog how to heel, but I sure would like to talk to the gentleman with the 18 dog sled team.
I think that the presenter is the Austrian John Gindl.
John.
This is definitely John Gindl with Bertram Mills's elephants. Mills purchased them from Karl Hagenbeck before the second world war. They had previously purchased an act of six Brazilian mules, six zebras and six ponies, which Gindl trained and presented. These were sold back to Hagenbeck in part exchange for the baby elephants, which Gindl trained and worked until the early '50s. They were then taken over by Gosta Kruse. Gindl remained as the horse trainer and upon Mills's closure, joined Billy Smart's, where he remained until he retired.
Jim,
Welcome. I have posted a picture of the act you mention previously. I wasn't aware they were Brazilian Mules. What is a a Brazilian Mule? I wasn't aware of them.
Wade
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