The worst, in training and care of animals has always operated along side the best and is lumped into the word CIRCUS. It is about individuals, not an industry, and not a nationality. One of these horse acts is from Europe and one is not. Which one is which? No horse should ever be that dirty and manure stained. Mustangs don't get that dirty, because they have the option of getting out of their waste and not laying in it.
Friday, June 20, 2008
The circus has always been from one extreme to another
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Wade G. Burck
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How true that it be the individuals that trash the "circus horse". What was once a grand and glorious tradition now is looked upon by the horse world as the lowest of knowledge. Accept that or not, begrudge the horse world your hertitage, they have progressed and the circus continues in a downward spirial. No more the great glorious shinning beasts march into the arena with the look of eagles, now meekly and carefully to avoid injury on unacceptable footings with unknowedgable riders. Too bad and so sad.
Madame Col.,
Damn, how long were you unconscious? Any oxygen deprivation involved? It is so about individuals and not countries or the circus as a whole. Which picture is from Europe and which is not? WATCH OUT!!!DON'T OPEN THAT DOOR!!!! Just goofing Col., making sure you are on your toes. LOL
Wade
For sure it's not countries nor the circus itself but the individuals that put themselves out as trainers. There are as talented horsemen in U.S. as there are in Europe but we are not bound by centuries of tradition. We have the freedom to express our individualism but excel only when we strive for the best and know that the best will only be accepted. When very mediocre training is accepted and assuming that the audience will never know the trainer believing it's "good enough" is the beginning of self endulgence and the serach for perfection is lost. The audience may not know the difference in the correctness of an act but they do know when they have seen something special and they know when they have been entertained.
Madame Col.,
It must be a Col. deal because you are waltzing around the question like that other Col. "Which act is from Europe, and which act is not?"
I feel the success and following of arts such as ballet, rodeo, dressage, reining, cutting, and bull fighting is that the afficcianatos/fans truly understand what is going on as they have studied it and had the art explained to them. I sat in a bull ring with a dozen "fans" explaining to me exactly what the matador was was attempting to do, and how he was to do it. The discipline/art/craft/bloody spectacle, call it what you will actually had a "standard". The "silver/gold clowns" of one ear or two ears and a tail, were actually awarded to the one who had come closest to that standard with a flair, and not randomly given to their friend, or the cutest, or the relative of somebody. Sit in any competition, animal, human, or otherwise, and 90% of the paying audience will tell you what is expected, if you don't know. That's why the seat's tend to fill up with paying customers as well as friends and family.
For the love of my discipline/ art/craft/animal abuse, call it what you will I have attempted to address a standard. Until that time I will explain what they are seeing, so at least they(fans)will understand it and maybe just maybe, come back and support and appreciate it once again, and not congeniality/pal it any further into the garbage.
If you get a chance look at the new DVD offered by the Professional Bull Riders(PBR) called BULLRIDERS.
Even Vince McMann and the WWE have broke down a "peoples elbow" and a "Texas Tornado" so that the fans now armed with that standard and understanding can cheer for their favorite. The reason for the success and following of just these two organizations is so obvious, it makes me ill that my profession can't see it.
It is my humble attempt to "keep the horse on it's feet." Maybe it's not dead, just unconscious and waiting to be revived.
Wade
OK, I'll take a shot at quessing. Is the Arab one of Sylvia's?
Ian
Brav Ian Brav
Ian,
I wasn't sure if JC was a friend of yours so I let them on. If they are explain the drill. Give a full name, or email me and explain why you need an alias. Also tell them this is America, we don't use brav to train horse's we use good. Unless you don't speak English. But if you are good enough with the horse's we hope you will stay and learn it.
Wade
Addendum to Ian,
Yes, you are right. But would you have know which one was from the United States without that knowledge. The picture of the horses tied to the truck covered in stains is from a circus in Spain, home of some of the most beautiful horses in the world. Again it is about individuals and not where they happen to live.
Wade
No Alias Here. That's my initials Wade. How quick we forget who sent you the Konyot Book.
Anyway, SZ says "Brav" to her horses. It was my way of telling Ian he was correct. And if that's Ian from Ocala, yes I believe we are friends. And if it's not Ian from Ocala it won't be the first or last time I've made a mistake.
JC
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For Wade,
Jody Campbell
Jody,
Hello. Of course I haven't forgotten who sent the book. How was I to know who JC was? I thought it was John Cuneo. LOL
I know uses German. The point was you are an American, you speak English, why use German or any other language.
That should start a discussion on the tone and soothingness of German commands. I think it just gives an illusion of exoticness, and makes what we do more mysterious.
Wade
Wade
I know the tone matters but when I had her horses "Brav" had better results than "Good". Didn't make sense to me to change something that worked. Besides now I can say I'm multi-lingual.
Spanish-Bueno
French-Brav
Actually, for me it rolls off the tongue smoother than "Good". I still find myself using "Brav" on my own horses.
Walk through the dressage world and hear the European language of the trainers. You would think that Americans could use their own language but it still is the inflection and not the words that matter. They seem to think they are sophisticated if they use the popular German, French, Dutch ...few words they pick up.
OK Wade didn't know I was to take a pick of the pictures, Which act is...... no matter where it comes from only that it be presented successfully in a professional and knowledgeable manner.
Jody,
I was suggesting that you could get the proper tone, yes very important with any language. Brav is German by the way. Used by Gunther and others as it was their language and English was difficult to speak fast and quick in a training scenario. Frenchman Daniel Suskov used French for the same reason. The voice, although necessary, is not as necessary in saddle horses as it is in liberty horses, as the reward of a touch can be given immediately. It may take you a half dozen "easys" to be close enough to you liberty horse to reward with the pat, and the word is often the touch from a distance.
The Arabian show field which has a standard in a sense, most of the trainers as you know use a standard command sound when lunging horses. Click walk, Click Click trot/jog, and the kiss sound canter/lope, adjusting the speed with whoop. I showed Dianne how the whoop was in essence a half halt, and an aid in keeping them from charging into the bit or going to fast when free. It stands to reason that they didn't understand your good, as they were used to Brav. When I took Gunthers tigers and added 4 to the number I spoke German to his, as that was their language, but spoke English to mine. The grooms spoke German to his German tigers, and English to my American tigers. A standard command leads to less confusion to the animals. If I was to go to Germany to train/work an act, yes I would use German, as I am in Rome now.
Wade
Wade
Wade
Well, good thing I don't go out of the country. I'd really be in trouble. Thanks for the correction.
I'd "whup whup" my Arabs instead of "whoop". Interesting to hear different methods. Kudos to the animals for putting up with all of us.
BTW: I have a customer looking for 2 And/Arab crosses. Stallions or geldings. If anyone has any leads please email me
jodyncritters@yahoo.com
Thank you.
And thanks Wade for posting it.
Jody Campbell
Jody,
The standard command to start a liberty act is up/hup. Whup, with loud music and the distance, may misinterpret as up/hup to them and they are already moving. Whoop signals not that much up/hup. LOL
That's the second best breed in the world, a 1/2 Arab. Good luck and I'll look up here for you.
Wade
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