When ever a "debate" is initiated on the merits of European and American cage act, it eventually leads to, "well what about Willy Hagenbeck(grandson of Carl) and his 70 polar bear act." My response "define act for me, show me something other then an artists imagination, a photograph will do, and that was supposedly in 1905. Is there a point?" Boy do the "debaters"
get upset at that. They forgot to "remove" the gentleman in the back holding the club.