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Wade, they are beautiful. When I was a little girl, my favorite color of cat was red tabby (orange), and I called them "tiger kitties". For reasons of their own, my parents wouldn't let us have a cat, and gave us dogs instead. Consequently, I didn't have a cat until I was an adult and had a little girl of my own. She was given a long-haired black cat one Halloween, and all the cats since then, even with Joe, have been black. A few years ago, some feral cats started coming around, and we adopted some of their kittens. Joe kept talking about all their beautiful colors, while I said that they were just long-haired brown tabby cats. A funny thing happened. They are now the most beautiful cats either of us has ever had. The point of all this? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I will give you that the lions aren't truly "white", if you will give me that they are beautiful and unique. And we might as well call them "white lions", because everyone else does. Peace.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
I will give you that they are beautiful, as any animal is beautiful. But I will not give you unique. They are no more unique then Miracle, given that there have been "white" lions, that turned "normal" colored for centuries. Given the success of "True White Tigers", it was/is an entertainment/ zoo revenue generating attempt at riding that wave. Like the "snow whites", "tabbys", and every other color you want to make up under the sun. And it sounds much more beautiful, romantic and interest generating then "Cremelo/baize/buff/kinda white Lions".
Explain how a brown tabby cat translates in to a orange "tabby" tiger?
My best,
Wade
Mary Ann,
Also, I don't do what everyone else does, as you might have guessed. LOL.
Wade
Wade, the cats really don't have anything to do with tigers. I was just making the point that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Also, I don't do what everyone else does either. My son was only five years old when he told me "You're not a regular mother." Can we just call them "blonde lions" from now on?
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
Look up the definition of tabby for me if you are not busy packing. And no, we can't call them "blonde" lions. People will assume the are stupid or dittzy. I think "Cremelo" might be more fitting, or we can get BS fancy and call them "Champagne." Let's decide on those two colors. LOL
My best,
Wade
Wade, here is wikipedia's definition: "A tabby cat is a cat with a distinctive coat that features stripes, dots, or swirling patterns." As for the lions, how about the BS fancy "champagne"? LOL
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
Very good. "Stripes, dot's and swirling patterns" I have always understood all three in the same coat pattern. Is that the case with Tabby tigers? And if it is, why didn't we call Mohan a Tabby?
Wade
Mary Ann,
This might me relevant. The tabby is not a breed of cat, nor is it a coat color. It's simply a coat pattern. The tabby usually has an "M" mark on its forehead.
The golden tabby tiger or golden tiger is an extremely rare colour variation caused by a recessive gene and now found only in captive tigers. Like the white tiger it is a colour form and not a separate species. It is sometimes referred to as the strawberry tiger due to the strawberry blonde coloration. No official name has been designated for the color.
Should we call it a "strawberry tiger?" Let's not, that doesn't sound nice. LOL
The golden tabby's white coat and gold patches make it stand out from the norm. Their striping is much paler than usual and may fade into spots or large prominent patches. Golden tabby tigers also tend to be larger.(Much like ligers, I would suggest)
As is the case with white tigers, the unusual golden color is caused by a recessive gene; in the case of the golden tabby this is the wide band gene while the white tiger is due to the color inhibitor (chinchilla) gene.
Like their white cousins all golden tabby tigers have mainly Bengal parentage, but are genetically polluted with the genes of the Amur tiger via a part-Amur white tiger called Tony who is a common ancestor of almost all white tigers in North America. All golden tabbies appear traceable to one of Tony's male descendents, Bhim.
I have often wonder why Tony's son Silver was never given any credit. Why Bhim?
Wade Burck
Wade, I was away from the computer for a while, but it looks like you have been busy finding tabby information, both for domestic cats and for tigers. You will notice that Grace has the requisite "M" on her forehead. Bhim fathered golden tabbies with the unrelated homozygous orange outcross Kimanthi, but Silver has no golden tabby descendants on record.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
I wasn't busy finding, I had it years ago. I know Grace has the required W on her forehead, that's why she is a "tabby". That's why I mentioned it. Now I want you to show me where it is on the forehead of the "tabbys" that have been published on this blog. And then tell me who bred the former tiger morphs, now know as tabbys for the first time? Not the "snow whites" we know where they, and the name came from. If a leopard appaloosa is born with just a few spot's it is known as a "few spot" leopard appaloosa. If a leopard appaloosa is born with absolutely no spots, do you know what it is called? A leopard appaloosa.
Wade
Wade, I think only domestic cat tabbies have the "M" on their forehead, but golden tabby tigers do not. The first golden tabby tigers were bred at Cincinnati, and Bhim and Kimathi were their parents. Paul knows more about this than I do.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
I know the tiger "tabbys" don't have them. Thats why it doesn't validate them as "tabbys." Don't start whining for Joe just play along. Are "Golden tabbys" different from Josip Marcans "tabbys?"
Wade
Wade, I never saw the original golden tabbies at Cincinnati, so I do not know if they looked like Dr. Marcan's golden tabbies. We only ever saw one in person, and that was Dr. Marcan's at the Ohio State Fair last summer. I can't whine for Joe because he has already gone to bed.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann,
They looked like Dr. Marcans. He bred the first ones. Where do you think theres came from?
Wade
Wade, truthfully I thought that Cincinnati had theirs before Dr. Marcan, but I am more than willing to admit that this is not my area of expertise. We'll talk more tomorrow.
Mary Ann
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