john herriott said...
Incidentally when Beatty did this n WNTQTRS. It was he and not other trainers. This has all been documented.
Ole Whitey said.......
During the years when management insisted that Beatty's act go for bigger and bigger numbers, it would only make sense to use some the talents of the other trainers in quarters (for instance Bobby McPherson surely worked with some of the tigers added to the act). I imagine Joe was just repeating some comment he heard at the time about Beatty needing help with the training.
I see a mention above of Joe McKennon's remarks to the effect that Beatty never trained his cats. Joe once described himself to me as a wagon-and-car builder but I think he also put some time in on concessions. The point being that he had somewhat limited direct knowledge of the training that went on at Peru.
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McCennon had "somewhat limited direct knowledge of the training that went on at Peru."(thats the other sacred cow Ben) Mcennon say's Beatty had help, which John says he didn't, which Ole Whitey says he did, but Mcennon wouldn't know that because he had "limited direct knowledge", and Ole Whitey just quoted him, even though he doesn't know shit!!!! I think old Whitey just accused Mcennon of repeating something he "heard", so Ole Whitey is going to go ahead and confirm it, all though Mceenon is full of shit, and wasn't there. Historians, take note. You better write History the way they want it written, or there will be hell to pay. Somebody please get into this typical circus history discussion, and help me keep the facts straight. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Wade Burck
Friday, April 25, 2008
When you get into a war, make sure your allies don't shoot you in the foot
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Resource: http://www.circusinamerica.org
The legendary Clyde Beatty is our most famous example of the American style. Born somewhere in Ohio, sometime around 1903 (Beatty himself claimed several conflicting versions), he came briefly under the influence of the great Hungarian trainer Louis Roth, did a polar bear act, and acquired his first caged cat act in 1925. He would eventually leave much of the training of his animals to others, while he focused on a theatrical presentation designed to instill fear for his safety among the spectators. Carrying a whip, a chair, and a gun, he advanced on his beasts and encouraged them to "attack." In one favorite routine, Nero, his best large male lion, would knock the chair from his hand and drive him from the arena, from which Beatty would "escape" in the nick of time, slamming the cage door behind him. Pausing to review the situation and wipe his brow, Beatty would then reenter the cage to thunderous applause, and subdue Nero merely by a hypnotic stare into his eyes.
wade -- i think you are an intelligent man who loves animals and has done a good job training them. i do not understand why you get so rabid about clyde beatty. you keep talking about what different people know rather than what they perceive, but you never saw beatty perform, you never worked with him, you have no direct knowledge of his training abilities. you leap to believe what a wagon builder says when it is well-documented that beatty trained all his animals until the demands on his time were too great. and he still continued to train his cats until he died. perhaps you need to talk with others who were there rather than listen to some of the people you are listening to. red hartman was beatty's assistant. i don't know what he might have said to you, but when he worked for beatty, he would have done physical damage to anyone who bashed beatty. you are hurting your own credibility with these continued attacks on beatty. with as many people as now are jumping into the fray, you might consider the possibility that beatty might have done something right. there has to be a reason he filled so many millions of seats for so many years.
Margaret,
I wanted to quote that, but with my "credibility" in tatters, I didn't want to take the chance. LOL
You were born in this God Damn thing called the circus, I walk in in 1974 and here I am fighting for my life. LOL
I need to just leave it to Adam, and see if another 50 years will work it out. LOL
You watch the liquor sales go up 23% at showfolks this weekend, while I get the beating I deserve.
"The unruly Bastard, probably can't even hold a chair, let alone know what to do with it. LOL
Wade Burck
LOL....Yes you rabid unruly bastard....They have called you everything but a "first-o-may....LOL...I'm waiting for them to call Adam a 2nd generation animal trainer, then the claws shall come out....And speaking of horses, did you know that my father started out trick-riding in the rodeo?
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