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Thursday, January 12, 2012
Shrine Temple Camels
Medina Shrine tumbler 1906
Zor Shrine Camels posed in front of the Masonic Temple 1936
1913 This looks like the St. Joseph, Mo. Temple. Interesting to note the "amateur" camel jockeys are using broom handles for lead ropes. :)
Tang, I have seen a jockey stick used twice on two different rank, rank breeding stallions. One groom on each side, with a third groom with a lunge line, was pretty effective in getting the "boys" to the breeding shed and back to the stable, safe and sound. I never thought it could be used for other species, but I see now it can.
I AM SURPRISED ABOUT YOU BEING NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH A "JOCKEY STICK. It is common to me since early youth in so many uses. Very humane in teaching young dogs, monkeys, hoof stock, especially young zebras. they can not get too close and, or far away. A great teaching aid. I have always used one in various ways. I can imagine young cat animals in introduction to manners in a very humane fashion. I have no idea where the name came from, but all thru the years it has been known as a "jockey stick.
Tang, I didn't say I was unfamiliar with it, I said I had only seen it used with rank breeding stallions and then it was called a "stud pole." I should think if you took the time to get an exotic comfortable with handling one wouldn't be necessary. If in a hurry, yes I could see where it would be useful.
I really enjoy the blog and especially these camel photos. The Zor Shrine Camel Patrol is still going strong, having begun in 1934. I currently board and transport their two dromedaries to a handful of parades each year. I have 4 tack boxes in my barn full of their trappings and blankets going back probably to the 50's. I'm sure if I dug deep enough I would find some broom...err..."jockey" sticks! Do you know the history of the white camels on your show in Mexico? They sure look like Dave Hale genetics.
Micah, Yes, they are from Dave Hale. Big, stout boys, some of the nicer one's I have seen. I have always said a camel can't catch a break. They usually live in the most antiquated habitat at a zoo, while they rush to build multi million dollar "Edens" for elephants. Folks cry about a bit in a horse's mouth while in some countries a pin and a rope through a camel's nose is the norm. :) Cut a camel some slack!!!!! Point out one time peta or the other nitwits have objected to the captive life of a camel.
Micah, Yes, they are from Dave Hale. Big, stout boys, some of the nicer one's I have seen. I have always said a camel can't catch a break. They usually live in the most antiquated habitat at a zoo, while they rush to build multi million dollar "Edens" for elephants. Folks cry about a bit in a horse's mouth while in some countries a pin and a rope through a camel's nose is the norm. :) Cut a camel some slack!!!!! Point out one time peta or the other nitwits have objected to the captive life of a camel.
I posted some of your liberty act videos a little over a year ago. John Milton Herriott was quite impressed, and he doesn't impress easily.
Does anyone have the time to find that thread in the archives?
I will look forward to your camel insight any time.
Medina Shrine tumbler 1906
Zor Shrine Camels posed in front of the Masonic Temple 1936
1913 This looks like the St. Joseph, Mo. Temple. Interesting to note the "amateur" camel jockeys are using broom handles for lead ropes. :)
An old safety device for leading and handling oof stock. known as a "jockey stick"tanglefoot
ReplyDeleteTang,
ReplyDeleteI have seen a jockey stick used twice on two different rank, rank breeding stallions. One groom on each side, with a third groom with a lunge line, was pretty effective in getting the "boys" to the breeding shed and back to the stable, safe and sound. I never thought it could be used for other species, but I see now it can.
I hope you are well,
Wade
I AM SURPRISED ABOUT YOU BEING NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH A "JOCKEY STICK. It is common to me since early youth in so many uses. Very humane in teaching young dogs, monkeys, hoof stock, especially young zebras. they can not get too close and, or far away. A great teaching aid. I have always used one in various ways. I can imagine young cat animals in introduction to manners in a very humane fashion. I have no idea where the name came from, but all thru the years it has been known as a "jockey stick.
ReplyDeleteTang,
ReplyDeleteI didn't say I was unfamiliar with it, I said I had only seen it used with rank breeding stallions and then it was called a "stud pole." I should think if you took the time to get an exotic comfortable with handling one wouldn't be necessary. If in a hurry, yes I could see where it would be useful.
Wade
Wade
ReplyDeleteI really enjoy the blog and especially these camel photos. The Zor Shrine Camel Patrol is still going strong, having begun in 1934. I currently board and transport their two dromedaries to a handful of parades each year. I have 4 tack boxes in my barn full of their trappings and blankets going back probably to the 50's. I'm sure if I dug deep enough I would find some broom...err..."jockey" sticks! Do you know the history of the white camels on your show in Mexico? They sure look like Dave Hale genetics.
Thanks
Micah Williams
Baraboo, WI
Micah,
ReplyDeleteYes, they are from Dave Hale. Big, stout boys, some of the nicer one's I have seen. I have always said a camel can't catch a break. They usually live in the most antiquated habitat at a zoo, while they rush to build multi million dollar "Edens" for elephants. Folks cry about a bit in a horse's mouth while in some countries a pin and a rope through a camel's nose is the norm. :) Cut a camel some slack!!!!! Point out one time peta or the other nitwits have objected to the captive life of a camel.
Wade
Micah,
ReplyDeleteYes, they are from Dave Hale. Big, stout boys, some of the nicer one's I have seen. I have always said a camel can't catch a break. They usually live in the most antiquated habitat at a zoo, while they rush to build multi million dollar "Edens" for elephants. Folks cry about a bit in a horse's mouth while in some countries a pin and a rope through a camel's nose is the norm. :) Cut a camel some slack!!!!! Point out one time peta or the other nitwits have objected to the captive life of a camel.
I posted some of your liberty act videos a little over a year ago. John Milton Herriott was quite impressed, and he doesn't impress easily.
Does anyone have the time to find that thread in the archives?
I will look forward to your camel insight any time.
Wade